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WCDT strips 3751-3755 (28th May to 1st June 2018)
awgiedawgie:
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 03 Jun 2018, 09:36 ---Did you notice her expression and what she did with her hands was the same cute thing that Claire did when asking Marten if she should move in? So cute!
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Yeah, someone else pointed that out, too. Might’ve been on Patreon. (Might’ve been you)
BlueFatima:
All this talk about Hanners never being able to heal is rather depressing and not necessarily true. Having scars is not the same thing as remaining wounded/disabled by your past. And truthfully? We all have our quirks.
I tend to see her current journey of self awareness simply to be an attempt not to let the damage from her mother's emotional abuse limit her life. She is trying to learn to make life choices on her own terms.
I'm kind of in a similar place right now—though I'm limited to many more responsibilities (and a budget) so I'm trying lots of new things at home. I can certainly relate to her storyline, though, and find it refreshing and even a little joyful.
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--- Quote from: A small perverse otter on 01 Jun 2018, 11:57 ---No question about it, she's never going to be completely 'healed', but she has developed a set of coping behaviors which bring her mental illnesses under more, if not complete, control. She can self-coach to get past the some anxiety attacks. She can vent enough to handle cleaning out a stable. That doesn't mean she won't have to wash her hands a few times extra every day, and it doesn't mean she won't ever panic, it just means she can function in ways she could never manage before.
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Again, the underlined parts are where we seem to disagree.
Coming back to the beginning, I mentioned that, going by today's comic, I get the impression that Hannelore in fact is not in control. As I said, to me she looked manic. And, yes, this one, and the comic with the yak are not in chronological order, and we don't know how much time has passed between them in comic-time. I get that.
You say the change in her behavior has been foreshadowed. I disagree, but I'm willing to say that maybe I just didn't pay as much attention to certain details as you did.
If I interpret your comment correctly, you say that, at the time of the yak stable cleaning, Hannelore has developed enough coping techniques do deal with her anxiety, because she was finally able to break out of her inner prison. Not always, but often, and to a high degree of success.
Once more I seem to be unable to connect the dots here.
My view of Hannelore was that, even taking into account how far she has come since we first met her, she still has a long long way to go before she can be a functioning adult. There can be breakthroughs and little leaps and bounds of progress, but what we currently see (in the yak stable scene) strikes me as a very big leap of progress with very little in-comic explanation. That is why I would call her supposed change too much and too sudden. To me it almost feels like a revamping of her character.
I think I'll have to wait and see...
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A small perverse otter:
--- Quote from: BlueFatima on 03 Jun 2018, 12:39 ---All this talk about Hanners never being able to heal is rather depressing and not necessarily true. Having scars is not the same thing as remaining wounded/disabled by your past. And truthfully? We all have our quirks.
I tend to see her current journey of self awareness simply to be an attempt not to let the damage from her mother's emotional abuse limit her life. She is trying to learn to make life choices on her own terms.
I'm kind of in a similar place right now—though I'm limited to many more responsibilities (and a budget) so I'm trying lots of new things at home. I can certainly relate to her storyline, though, and find it refreshing and even a little joyful.
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It's really, really important to understand something about Hannelore. It is OK that she'll never get "well". The major mental illnesses are chronic conditions which can be usually be controlled through medication and therapy but can not be cured. In that, they're like diabetes or bad eyesight: they're just things which you live around like you live around any other controllable but incurable illness. Me, I take one pill every morning and two every evening and periodically go to talk to someone or attend group therapy, but if I'm good about doing all those things, I function nominally. In fact, in my case, if I didn't tell you, you'd never notice that I'm mentally ill.
That does *not* mean that I don't have remaining symptoms. I will always need to lay out my desk in a certain way. I'll always have to straighten pictures on the walls. I'll never be able to cross a bridge without being dizzy with terror. For my part, I regret these things, but they aren't so crippling that I need to fix them. Instead, I structure my life so they don't happen often, and have coping behaviors when they do. As you say, they've become quirks, not not the crippling disabilities they used to be.
Hannelore is in the same situation. Medication helps her a lot, and on-going therapy and normal social interaction help her, too. The results are dramatic: she's functional. She has developed coping mechanisms like self-coaching to avoid panic attacks. She's not 'better', just functional...but that's fine. Most of us settle for functional in one or another part of our lives, it's just that some of us have to reach farther to get there.
In a way, though, this is the most optimistic message you can get. OK, so you'll never be 'normal'. That doesn't mean you'll be crippled, just 'not normal'. If you focus on that, rather than on 'getting better', you may find that there's a huge burden lifted off your shoulders. After all, if you have to get well, you can't settle for half measures. If you only need to get better, any gain is a win.
Shjade:
--- Quote from: Bad Superman on 01 Jun 2018, 04:17 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 01 Jun 2018, 02:52 ---
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 31 May 2018, 19:00 ---Sooo I just need to vent. Apparently ignorance towards AIs does exist in the real world. I shared the Faye/Bubbles storyline with an online friend and he said some pretty closed minded stuff.
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A long time ago, there was an episode of Star Trek:TNG where Tasha Yar (I think?) had sex with Data, and I remember reading some pretty ugly stuff on-line about it. About the most polite was "He's just a fancy dildo."
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Yes, it was Tasha in The Naked Now.
"What I want now is gentleness, and joy, and love from you, Data. You are fully functional aren't you?"
"Of course, but..."
"How fully?"
"In every way, of course. I am programmed in multiple techniques. A broad variety of pleasuring."
"Oh, you jewel! That's exactly what I hoped."
- Data and Tasha Yar
Sadly, followed by this on the day after:
"Data, I'm only going to tell you this just once: it never happened."
- Tasha Yar, to Data
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*reads up on the episode via the provided link*
...um. So...Yar was clearly not in her right mind, but we're just gonna act like she was in a healthy consenting state for this interaction and it's somehow disappointing that she suggested she wanted to act like it didn't happen afterward because AI Discrimination?
Okay then.
Dandi Andi:
--- Quote from: Shjade on 03 Jun 2018, 22:51 ---*reads up on the episode via the provided link*
...um. So...Yar was clearly not in her right mind, but we're just gonna act like she was in a healthy consenting state for this interaction and it's somehow disappointing that she suggested she wanted to act like it didn't happen afterward because AI Discrimination?
Okay then.
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Yeah, the episode was kinda... weird... about sex. It was definitely not TNG at its best. But I think the point of the comment was about dehumanizing commentary about the episode, not about Yar's behavior towards Data within the episode.
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