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WCDT: 11-15 June 2018 (3761-3765)
HiFranc:
I don’t see projection in Bubbles as she has different issues. In her case, she lost her platoon and seems to feel guilty. I don’t know how much of the description of missing memories there is but she seems to feel responsible for the deaths. We don’t know how much of that through action, inaction or simply being overwhelmed. Whatever happened, we don’t know how much is related to survivors guilt and how much is due to how much is in the detail. Furthermore, in her attempt to deal with the trauma she underwent an operation that led to the loss of said memories. In her mind that loss is another betrayal of her squad.
Add to that the fact that there have been people who have accused her of being a danger, her guilt and fear of herself took off. Corpse Witch exploited her anxieties to control her.
HughYeman:
--- Quote from: HiFranc on 13 Jun 2018, 16:03 ---I don’t see projection in Bubbles as she has different issues. In her case, she lost her platoon and seems to feel guilty. I don’t know how much of the description of missing memories there is but she seems to feel responsible for the deaths. We don’t know how much of that through action, inaction or simply being overwhelmed. Whatever happened, we don’t know how much is related to survivors guilt and how much is due to how much is in the detail. Furthermore, in her attempt to deal with the trauma she underwent an operation that led to the loss of said memories. In her mind that loss is another betrayal of her squad.
Add to that the fact that there have been people who have accused her of being a danger, her guilt and fear of herself took off. Corpse Witch exploited her anxieties to control her.
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I can't speak for BenRG, but I can tell you why I think he's onto something.
When Faye first tried to get Bubbles to come out of her shell, Bubbles ended up physically assaulting Marten and Pintsize, and taking a swing near Faye's head that ended up putting a hole in a wall. When she got back to her cave, she destroyed a bunch of punching bags while calling herself stupid.
When a group of teenagers mocked her, she violently and angrily went into isolation, yelled at Faye to get out, and then called herself weak and expressed irritation at Faye for presuming to understand.
Quite recently, she got angry at Faye, saying "Why are you smirking? Have I made a fool of myself already?"
Just hours ago in-universe, Bubbles made it clear she identifies as being different.
In short, Bubbles is self loathing and prone to isolation. This is the behavior of a person who is heavily invested in thinking of herself as a freak. For such people, the thought of change can be more scary than the pain of being a freak, not only because that pain is a known quantity, but because their ideation surrounding that pain has come to define them. They have embraced the mantle of the freak, and they will defend that image of themselves.
I did this for around thirty-five years, so I know what I'm talking about. It wasn't until I was in my forties that I was able to see what I'd been doing to myself--how I had cultivated my own freakishness. Seeing it was only the beginning. Seven years later, I'm still working to change it.
The reasons why I got to a place of isolation, self-loathing and identifying as a freak are nothing like Bubbles's. But the point is, she got there too. And anyone who gets there digs in and defends it. That's why it resonated with me when BenRG said she might be projecting. Given all of her own self-loathing, and all of her violent attempts to remain isolated, I think he has a point.
fayelovesbubbles:
--- Quote from: zzyzx on 13 Jun 2018, 15:20 ---I'm just relieved to have something, anything, other than Faye and Bubbles cuddling. There have been some plots that were much more fascinating to me lately (how AI works with respect to civil rights in society, the struggles of getting a small business up and running, interesting interactions and growth between characters, and (for that matter) the logistics of AI sexuality) that it felt like stalling to me. Now that we can see others interact to the change, it's a lot more interesting to me. Obviously, others like different things.
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Has everyone totally forgotten how damn LONG it took for them to cuddle? You can't just take it for granted. Two months ago I thought Faye for sure didn't feel the same and Bubbles was going to be devastated. I was shocked when it really happened, and it's going to take time for it to sink it for me that it's real. More of them cuddling helps, uh, cement that reality for me.
Undrneath:
--- Quote from: fayelovesbubbles on 13 Jun 2018, 18:50 ---
--- Quote from: zzyzx on 13 Jun 2018, 15:20 ---I'm just relieved to have something, anything, other than Faye and Bubbles cuddling. There have been some plots that were much more fascinating to me lately (how AI works with respect to civil rights in society, the struggles of getting a small business up and running, interesting interactions and growth between characters, and (for that matter) the logistics of AI sexuality) that it felt like stalling to me. Now that we can see others interact to the change, it's a lot more interesting to me. Obviously, others like different things.
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Has everyone totally forgotten how damn LONG it took for them to cuddle? You can't just take it for granted. Two months ago I thought Faye for sure didn't feel the same and Bubbles was going to be devastated. I was shocked when it really happened, and it's going to take time for it to sink it for me that it's real. More of them cuddling helps, uh, cement that reality for me.
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Fear not if Jeph stays true to course we will get lots of Faybles cuddles for a long time.
fayelovesbubbles:
Oh and yes, believe me, I want Brun and Clinton to kiss. Almost as badly as I wanted Bubbles and Faye to kiss. And I want Clinton and Brun to cuddle and explore each other. I totally sound like a creep when I say that but I don't mean to.
I really want Brinton to happen. Or...Clun? They are the only other pairing I give a rat's bum about besides Faybles. Maybe because I feel so much for them both. Clinton has shown in many ways that he'd be a good boyfriend, I think. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe Brun hasn't had a lot of boyfriends. I think Clinton isn't really too experienced either. Things always fizzle out before he has the chance to get to that stage.
That's why them being together would be pretty emotional for me.
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