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Neko_Ali:
Dang... What a day for me to not have access to the forums for most of it. Hi, I'm a Warhammer 40k player and I love the Sisters of Battle, even with the legitimate complaints about how they are treated in lore and the inherent sexism behind their designs. The first thing to know about the 40K setting is it makes no god damn logical sense. It was never meant to. Especially in the Imperium of Man where they will purge entire planets if they find heresy has taken root there and the worship of chaos is going on, or a Tyranid (think giant space locusts crossed with Alien's xenomorphs) hive is found. Not only is the idea of killing an entire planet of billions of people considered a reasonable response... *it's the only logical response in those cases*. The setting is so messed up that sacrificing a planet to save dozens or hundreds is the only way they can stave off their inevitable death a little longer.

The Sisters of Battle are both cool because they are the only mostly female army in the game, in opposition to about half the armies which are by lore exclusively male. But that's another story. They were created as a military force in response to a rule that the Church was no long to have 'men at arms' after a whole failed coup thing. So they made an army of fanatical warrior nuns. Most of them wear basically corset power armor complete with boobplate chest armor that still has one of the best armor ratings you can find in the game. But some fanatical members are so convinced that they need to repent whatever sins they have committed that they throw themselves into battle practically naked, hoping to die in the Emperor's service because they are taught that's the only way they can be redeemed. Most of those fall into the Sisters Repentia who basically wrap themselves in cloths strips covered in scripture and use combat chainsaws as weapons as they charge enemy tank lines. For those who think their sins are to great even for that, they get wired onto the front of Penitent Engines, where they remain strung up until they die. And they all do this willingly because of extreme religious indoctrination. So you see, it's not meant to be logical, sensible or safe. They're crazed fanatics who are trying to die in battle.

The Space Crusade one that was shown before is from a 3rd party manufacture who makes a line of legally different enough miniatures to use as replacement for various Sisters and Chaos Warrior units. With the alteration that they have two versions of most units... One that actually is mostly wearing sensible armor. And the other that ditches the top and pants and has them going into battle half naked, just wearing the armored sleeves and legs. So.. yeah. The Artemis model only comes like that though, no alternate options.

LeeC:
Considering the whole book the Ecclsiarchy base their beliefs on was written by one of the Emperor's evil sons that became a literal deamon says just how contradictory their entire world is built on (especially when you consider that the Emperor was anti-religious and now there's a religion devoted to him).  Its so crazy that its actually believable. Its heretical that they even exist! Let alone the inquisitorial branch ( not associated with the Ecclisiarchy) of the actual government that go out of their way to hunt down mutants, deamons, heretics and aliens living in the empire with near limitless authority. The real question comes down to what is really heretical?  That youtube series I mentioned had an episode where the Emperor let out a decree to disband the inquisition and the ecclisiarchy.  The inquisition took up arms believing it to be some sort of heresy while the ecclisiarchy was just merely confused and just tried to protect the imperial citizens and palace from the inquisitors.  The Emperor ended up punishing the Inquisitors and reinstating the Ecclisiarchy but gave them a new purpose un-deifying the Emperor and instead deifying all of humanity.

Here's how it went when the "pope" brought the news to the cardinals:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq-6aj9sNvo
@Neko_Ali:
Great stuff!

I also wished there was more female models for the imperial guard model line as its just what ever humans sign up and is canonically not all male but you wouldn't know considering the miniatures.  At least the Eldar guardian pack has a couple of "female" torsos (which makes no sense considering they are suppose to be androgynous to humans) but its still largely "male."

TheEvilDog:
For years, if people wanted female Imperial Guard troopers, they looked to the Escher models from Necromunda.

Now, granted because they were a pain in the arse to convert because they were white metal, but with the new version and the new plastic gangs, there could be significantly more additions to Guard armies now.

Morituri:
I'm guessing then that the "Sisters Repentia" are entirely self-funded and supported?  Because how else would a force unable or unwilling to use their weapons effectively be allowed to have them, when some brainwashed trooper wearing his armor on the OUTSIDE would be many times more effective at fighting heresy?

Even if they're kinky enough to be into getting killed, the sisters are getting their freak on in a way that wastes valuable war machines!  Suicide troops have never been well armed, in all history, except when they arm themselves (case in point: dude holed up in a hotel room with dozens of automatic rifles and suitcases full of ammunition spraying bullets into a crowd in order to get killed by the police....) , because it's dumb to spend resources on arming them.  Whatever they're armed with is going to be lost.  Even animals that have a suicide-charge as part of their pack defense instincts minimize expenses by having the instinct strongest in the old, the sick, the hungry, and the weak. 

I mean, I know you said that making no goddamn sense is part of the objectives in the game design here, but this DEGREE of "no goddamn sense" knocks me straight out of the game.  I know that other people have a different tolerance for nonsense than I do, and that it's completely normal to have a different ability to entertain nonsense than I do.  But personally, something like this just  causes me to assume the designers are incompetent or that there is no point in attempting to use strategy of any kind in the game, and I go play something that I personally find more compelling, like checkers or monopoly. 

TheEvilDog:
You're missing the point.

But if that doesn't make sense, consider the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force during the Second World War. Did it make sense for them to throw away their few veteran pilots in literal kamekaze missions? Especially considering that at the same time, the US Air Force was taking its veteran pilots and getting them to train the next group of pilots.

The Imperium might throw lives away with rappers with a bundle of cash in a rap video. But it don't waste anything. The Sisters Repentia are those warriors who still have a chance at redemption. Because even in death, they can serve. Its a whole false equivalency thing. Take their armour, give them a weapon that puts them at a disadvantage, send them into the worst combat and if one Repentia is standing at the end, well glory be, the Emperor must have been personally smiling on her and protected her. Boom, she's earned repentance. Does that make sense? Hell no. Does anyone care? Hell no.

Its a dystopian universe, run by madness and haunted and twisted by the worst parts of sapience. Survival is the order of the day and compassion is a four lettered word. All that matters is victory.

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