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WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
Undrneath:
--- Quote from: Thrillho on 08 Aug 2018, 16:11 ---Note: I am pretty passionate about this particular topic, and many topics, and realise this can come across as aggression. I just really, really love discussion, and challenging my own attitudes through talking to people I disagree with. None of the below is intended aggressively, I'm just enthusiastic to discuss it, all is in good faith!
How many of the people here referring to what is and isn't good parenting are parents themselves, or have ever been responsible for the care of teenagers?
I don't think you understand how negligence works in this context, or at the very least, how the law tends to say it works, regardless of whether you share the law's opinion.
The point here is not 'when I was a kid I was left unsupervised and didn't die, nowadays kids need to be wrapped in bubblewrap.' The point here is that you were lucky. And 99.9% of people are lucky. And 0.1% of people are the 14 year old kid, left unsupervised by a 'responsible' adult, be that a teacher, a friend, or a parent, who does get fucking killed by one of these contraptions. That is what the law is there to prevent, because not a single one of those should ever happen.
One thing we do agree on is that it is impossible to keep your kid safe at all times, but there is definitely a middle ground between bubblewrap and not being left in a position where you could have done permanent damage.
This is a forum where attitudes and opinions are frequently challenged, and I am frankly baffled that I'm the only person so far arguing in against leaving literal children unsupervised with power tools simply because you guys managed to lose just a nail, rather than a finger or a hand, and presumably your tendon repaired itself, rather than costing you sensation or dexterity in that hand.
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Yes it was a lapse of judgement on Faye's part and yes she hold responsibility for the incident however my anecdote was more to say that sometimes it doesn't matter how attentive the adult is some kids will find a way and once that happens it is how everyone reacts (or overreacts) that matters.
Is it cold in here?:
I'm going to say that we can be more precise than "unsupervised".
Sam was under orders, then left unattended for minutes, but with a responsible adult nearby who can move very fast.
It was inadequate supervision for someone like Sam. Even that is clearer in hindsight.
Let's see, we can certainly compare Faye's level of care to the balance of productivity, education, and safety that occupational safety law requires. Inarguably she has fallen short.
Should I start a "Free Range Kids" thread in DISCUSS or in RELATE?
Annemoon:
--- Quote from: Thrillho on 08 Aug 2018, 16:11 ---Note: I am pretty passionate about this particular topic, and many topics, and realise this can come across as aggression. I just really, really love discussion, and challenging my own attitudes through talking to people I disagree with. None of the below is intended aggressively, I'm just enthusiastic to discuss it, all is in good faith!
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I'm actually guessing a lot of these statements have a huge cultural influence in-bedded in them.
I'm quite surprised by the extend of some of the reactions here. Suing someone for this?
In my European country (the Netherlands) that would be unheard of.
There is a large believe in "don't be stupid". And this level of supervision is in general seen as adequate.
Moreover, similar treatments are standard in our education system.
Although i did a mostly academic oriented education, we had quite some basic wood/acrylic work in school; handling of hammers, basic sawing use etc was handled at 10-11. We had some basic training in using machine saws and drills at 14-15 with similar instruction level STANDARD.
To me Sam acts quite extra-ordinarily 'stupid' at this moment - and the consequences are also relatively minor.
Which is partly due to the fact that Faye gave her a relatively 'simple' (certainly compared to what I've dealt with) tool.
I can totally understand if people wouldn't be comfortable to have their kids handling these tools themselves, but to judge this to such an extend seem a bit detached from the wider perspective to me.
OldGoat:
--- Quote from: Annemoon on 09 Aug 2018, 10:39 ---I'm quite surprised by the extend of some of the reactions here. Suing someone for this?
In my European country (the Netherlands) that would be unheard of.
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Unfortunately, we USAians are an increasingly litigious society and some of our more dubious practices are attorney driven. (I work for lawyers - some are the most ethical people you will ever meet, but others, well, not so much.) In addition, we have fifty separate state court systems plus the Federal government and the territories, each with its own twist on rules of evidence and so on. That makes for plenty of opportunities for court shopping, looking for a venue that tends to return large judgements on certain sorts of cases.
Is it cold in here?:
I've started a thread in RELATE about risk tolerance in child rearing in general, and of course the discussion about Sam can continue here.
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