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WCDT Strips 3816-3820 (27-31 August 2018)
derris_kharlan:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2018, 22:29 ---His "point" was a meaningless platitude. "Everything will just work out, it did for me" is not a point. Marten dismissing her legit concerns by pointing out he fell backwards into a job he had no qualifications for is not helpful. He means well, but everything Claire said was true.
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Meaningless? I very much disagree. His point is that just because life doesn’t go exactly according to some grand master plan doesn’t mean it’s hopeless and everything will be bad. He uses himself as an example of ending up in a good place that he didn’t plan on. He wasn’t at all trying to say “hey, becoming a librarian is easy” yet that’s what Claire turned it in to. She missed his point entirely AND put him down in the process.
Cornelius:
--- Quote from: Busch on 26 Aug 2018, 23:43 ---Getting ahead with no connections is very, very difficult. Even if you land a great job, it'll dry up one day and you may be back to square one.
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That's exactly the problem my brother has. Even getting an unpaid internship is nigh impossible, if you don't have any connections in the sector. Hard work and building your own network, can work out in the long run. But it's long and hard work.
--- Quote from: BenRG on 26 Aug 2018, 23:49 ---Frankly, given how much she and Tai butts heads, I'm genuinely surprised to read that Claire is jealous of Marten's job.
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I might be mistaken, but I seem to remember a strip that implied, at least, that Claire thought even Tai shouldn't hold the position she does. It might be Tai's job she's after.
--- Quote from: chris73 on 26 Aug 2018, 19:19 ---In NZ from roughly the late 80s onwards there was a massive shift away from apprenticeships and trades as options for schoolkids and was replaced by an almost fervent belief that University was the be all and end all and that without a degree (any degree) you'd be doomed to a, at best, mediocre life
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Seems much the same here. Of course, it's compounded by the fact that even some of the most basic jobs insist on qualifications - even if it's just cleaning. On the other hand, we don't have the same kind of fees - so the student loan issue is close to nonexistent. But it does mean that it's getting hard to find good tradesmen. The past decade has seen a stronger stress on trying to direct children back towards the trades. But then, the problem is they succeeded rather too well in convincing the current generation of parents that that was a second rate choice.
jesslc:
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but I don't think Marten even knew Tai before he started working with her. They became friends later. Or is Claire referring to someone else? (Who?)
So while Claire has a point that connections often play a part in getting a job, that wasn't what happened with Marten. It was purely Tai's unconventional approach to hiring. Well, he heard about a potential position due to Colette (I think) but she wasn't "in the building" and he didn't get the job because of her.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Busch on 26 Aug 2018, 23:43 ---Getting ahead with no connections is very, very difficult. Even if you land a great job, it'll dry up one day and you may be back to square one.
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That's only one of many, many perspectives and ranges of experience. Taking just one anecdotal counter-example, it bears no relationship whatsoever to my own life's work experience.
Pennepasta:
--- Quote from: chris73 on 26 Aug 2018, 19:19 ---In NZ from roughly the late 80s onwards there was a massive shift away from apprenticeships and trades as options for schoolkids and was replaced by an almost fervent belief that University was the be all and end all and that without a degree (any degree) you'd be doomed to a, at best, mediocre life fulfilment?
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In the UK, this one hit home in the mid-90s and it's most concrete outcomes have been a whole new class of chronically unemployable graduates with huge, unserviceable personal debts and people entering formerly-vocational professions like nursing with totally unrealistic expectations of the level of seniority and deference they will receive. This, in turn, has led to a recruitment crisis in said professions because no-one wants to study for years in college and go onto collecting bed-pans and taking temperatures every hour.
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As someone who was sold the "uni or die" idea in the UK, a lot of it was the promise that you'd walk out of uni straight into a job. Never mind that physics has no direct applications outside of academia. Most people I knew at uni didn't end up with roles even vaguely related to physics (which most of us studied). My personal issue was more a motivation and suitability for academia one; I've since learnt ways to motivate myself, but academia doesn't fit well with me. I'm busy retraining in accounting, so hopefully getting back on track. But having few contacts in the area sucks.
Hilariously, the only person I know who walked straight out of academia into a related role is my partner. She did English and history at uni, tried and failed at pgce (teaching qualifications) for a year, then did a ma in library and information management. Walked straight into a college library and settled well. And English and history is the degree they said was useless!
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