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WCDT Strips 3821-3825 (3-7 September 2018)
nightshade:
is it me or is tai looking a lot like faye?
well ok since the last style change a lot of the characters look a like to me anyways
SmilingCat:
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 05 Sep 2018, 05:08 ---Based on your (kind of passive aggressive) last sentence, you seem to want to insist that I have a preconceived negative opinion on Claire. If that's what you want to believe, that's fine. I already acknowledged that your possibility was also a good one, but not how I perceived the situation based on my initial read. Are you telling me that you have not formed specific voices and ways of talking for each character inside your head during reading?
Not sure why you seem to be so sensitive about anyone (in this case me) perceiving one specific comic initially as more negative behavior by Claire than you did yourself. We discuss characters' behaviors all the time here and it's quite common that somebody perceives behavior differently than others when they first read a comic.
EDIT: to be clear, I really enjoy and appreciate it when others point out different interpretations of a certain comic that did not occur to me upon my initial reading. It's one of the main reasons for me coming here. What I do not appreciate however is somebody insisting my interpretation of a specific comic situation is due to prejudice against a character.
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I didn't think I was being passive about it.
You went with "Claire was venting" without any context, then when offered an alternative, you vaguely suggested Tai's "cadence" without any effort to explain what you meant or how it led you to your opinion. Looking at Tai's dialogue we see basically a neutral response, the only indication of what was said before her response were the bolded words "met" and "applied" which are clearly there to indicate what Tai was correcting. Tai's facial expression is likewise fairly neutral, not happy or sad or angry, at best one would call it a "clarification face", one that seems to show up on Jeph's characters when they're clarifying something or explaining things. Even Claire's expression doesn't help for context, since whatever expression she wore when saying whatever she had said has been replaced by her adorable mortification face.
And also, since we're being absolutely clear, I'm not saying you have a prejudice against Claire. I don't have enough information to determine such a specific detail. All I'm saying is you jumped to the conclusion that Claire was venting, I didn't speculate why you thought that. There's a fundamental difference between the two. For one thing, while venting would be a negative response, it doesn't mean the individual doing the venting is a bad person. In fact, for many it would be a natural and expected response. Assuming somebody is "venting" isn't the same as expressing a prejudice against them.
As for why I said it. There are a WHOLE LOT of instances on this board of people jumping to the worst possible conclusion based on no data at all. Your "venting" comment was mild in comparison.
dutchrvl:
--- Quote from: SmilingCat on 05 Sep 2018, 11:26 ---
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 05 Sep 2018, 05:08 ---Based on your (kind of passive aggressive) last sentence, you seem to want to insist that I have a preconceived negative opinion on Claire. If that's what you want to believe, that's fine. I already acknowledged that your possibility was also a good one, but not how I perceived the situation based on my initial read. Are you telling me that you have not formed specific voices and ways of talking for each character inside your head during reading?
Not sure why you seem to be so sensitive about anyone (in this case me) perceiving one specific comic initially as more negative behavior by Claire than you did yourself. We discuss characters' behaviors all the time here and it's quite common that somebody perceives behavior differently than others when they first read a comic.
EDIT: to be clear, I really enjoy and appreciate it when others point out different interpretations of a certain comic that did not occur to me upon my initial reading. It's one of the main reasons for me coming here. What I do not appreciate however is somebody insisting my interpretation of a specific comic situation is due to prejudice against a character.
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I didn't think I was being passive about it.
You went with "Claire was venting" without any context, then when offered an alternative, you vaguely suggested Tai's "cadence" without any effort to explain what you meant or how it led you to your opinion. Looking at Tai's dialogue we see basically a neutral response, the only indication of what was said before her response were the bolded words "met" and "applied" which are clearly there to indicate what Tai was correcting. Tai's facial expression is likewise fairly neutral, not happy or sad or angry, at best one would call it a "clarification face", one that seems to show up on Jeph's characters when they're clarifying something or explaining things. Even Claire's expression doesn't help for context, since whatever expression she wore when saying whatever she had said has been replaced by her adorable mortification face.
And also, since we're being absolutely clear, I'm not saying you have a prejudice against Claire. I don't have enough information to determine such a specific detail. All I'm saying is you jumped to the conclusion that Claire was venting, I didn't speculate why you thought that. There's a fundamental difference between the two. For one thing, while venting would be a negative response, it doesn't mean the individual doing the venting is a bad person. In fact, for many it would be a natural and expected response. Assuming somebody is "venting" isn't the same as expressing a prejudice against them.
As for why I said it. There are a WHOLE LOT of instances on this board of people jumping to the worst possible conclusion based on no data at all. Your "venting" comment was mild in comparison.
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I don't want to keep this going on endlessly, but 2 quick things:
1) I didn't conclude that Claire was venting, I said that's how it read to me. A subtle but distinct difference. At least, I assume that when I write "It reads more like..." that it's obvious that it reads that way to me, not to everyone per se. Just like when you say Tai's expression is fairly neutral or the dialogue was neutral, one can assume you mean it seems neutral to you, but not per se to everybody.
2) Thank you for clarifying that you were not concluding I am prejudiced against Claire, because your previous posts sounded an awful lot (to me, not to everybody per se :-P) like you were.
Alright, back to discussing the comics themselves :)
NemesisDancer:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 05 Sep 2018, 07:04 ---
--- Quote from: SmilingCat on 04 Sep 2018, 18:51 ---
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 04 Sep 2018, 13:45 ---That's true, that is a possibility. It's however not the impression I got from the cadence of Tai's initial correction.
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I'm curious how you determined the modulation or inflection of Tai's voice reading text in a comic with no audio.
I'm not saying you started out by assuming Claire was being bratty and worked back from there based on absolutely no information whatsoever, I'm just curious how Tai sounds in real life.
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Attempting to get the cadence through a text only media is something that writers actually strive for.
Jeph's a pretty decent writer, so I totally get what Dutchlvr means by his comment.
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I remember reading one of Jeph's Tumblr Q&As in which someone asked how various characters' voices sound, and it turns out they're pretty much exactly as I'd imagined (Hannelore's voice is soft and high-pitched, Marigold's is nasal, etc.) - which indicates he's very good at portraying tone of voice through his writing.
Probably my favourite example of Jeph being evocative of voices through art/dialogue is the last panel of comic 2680.
dreed:
Marten attitude to money is so alien to me. Iiving from paycheck to paycheck when one has kids, medical expenses is one thing.
But marten is sharing rent with 3 other people, doesn't gamble doesn't travel, so lack of savings is just weird to me.
I do know 30 year old in real life who are exactly like that. So wrong...
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