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WCDT strips 3841-3845 (1-5 October 2018)
jwhouk:
Someone needs to look up what the record for latest post after the week of a given WCDT is.
hakko504:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 10 Oct 2018, 08:16 ---Someone needs to look up what the record for latest post after the week of a given WCDT is.
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On the first page of the QC forums, the only thread with a significant necropost is WCDT strips 3716-3720 (9th-13th April 2018) which had a necro almost 5 months after the actual week of comics.
brilligtove:
On that note, I've started a new thread to talk about this: Art, Artist, Audience: Relationships of Love and Commerce.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: DSL on 09 Oct 2018, 19:44 ---What agency does a fictional character have? How would said character have any agency the author/artist/creator does not give that character?
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There are artists who report that they've been surprised by what their characters insisted on doing.
On an everyday level, my analogy to free will for a fictional character is when they are portrayed doing things that flow from their characterization. Claire and Hannelore got piercings because they both want to challenge themselves to fight anxiety. They are examples of what we'd call "agency" in real people.
The contrary case would be when a character makes a choice when portrayed as psychologically offline or as coerced.
dutchrvl:
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--- Quote from: brilligtove on 10 Oct 2018, 00:17 ---This looks like a simple case of an artist with an artistic vision that they are pursuing.
You don't like that vision, or the way it is being pursued, or both.
That's perfectly acceptable. No one is obligated to follow an artist in their artistic journey.
The artist is not obligated to follow a path that anyone else desires either.
I guess I don't grok the underlying source of your concern? If an artist pursues a vision I don't enjoy, I don't devote attention to that artist anymore, or at least not the work that isn't my thing. I might tell them "your new direction isn't for me" but that is followed with "but thanks for all the art you've created." I don't expect their work to conform to my expectations unless I am commissioning a piece.
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Now here is the thing about "artists" - you pretty much hit the nail on the head without actually pointing out the issue here yet making it out as a something positive.
The absolute narcissism when an artist says they don't need to conform to others expectations.
Without an audience they are just some schmuck somewhere doing weird stuff on on their own for their own amusement [and not to get arrested if others find out].
An artist by "trade" that does not want to starve has to have an audience. They can still push buttons and be non-conformist but there are limits.
So they have to meet some expectations consistently enough to not lose their audience.
Without an audience they are just another tree in the woods
Lucky for Jeph that he has enough of a following willing to support his version of creativity and the paths he has taken.
I think he takes it as a personal affront when people voice not liking his decisions, which is problematic in its own way, though he seems to be getting better at dealing with it.
Now me - I get irked when he goes all George Lucas on us, falls passionately in love with an idea or character design, runs with it .... right off a cliff or into a wall
(click to show/hide)Yeah, I do equate George Lucas with a certain coyote of high intelligence and very low wisdom when he doesn't have handlers stopping him from making decisions based on scenarios he ran through his head but never past anything approaching an impartial audience
On the long hair subject - yes I like longer hair - I have long hair - I have nothing against people with shaved heads and neither do they :roll:
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Interesting, you seem to equate the need for artists to make a living to having to perform/produce their art according to what their audience expects from them. I respectfully, but strongheartedly, disagree with that view.
An artist does not need to conform to anything/anyone, really (unless of course they were paid for a well-defined piece of art according to certain parameters). This has nothing to do with narcissism. They make their art the way they want to, and whether they accept a loss of audience/popularity as a result is up to them. It's the same with a small business owner who decides to completely change the design of their product. That's their prerogative. They may lose all their customers and go under, sure, but that's still their right to do.
Do artists need an audience not to starve? Sure, probably. Still does not mean they need to meet expectations. In simplistic words, they do not owe their audience their survival (by not starving).
See also my post in the separate thread about this.
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