Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 7-11 January 2019 (3911-3915)
Case:
--- Quote from: Tova on 11 Jan 2019, 17:08 ---Okay, so a part of the difficulty of discussing this - apart from the fact that my posts from yesterday were pretty much my emotional reaction rather than completely thought through - is that this is a ludicrous situation, isn't it? I mean, I can only imagine that Jeph had Crushbot slip on a falling crate of bananas to dissuade us from taking the whole thing too seriously. That was never going to work, of course, but still...
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Good point. I can only imagine Jeph's reaction - "Of course they were going to obsess about the plot-device ..."
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--- Quote from: Case on 11 Jan 2019, 03:58 ---Note e.g. that when she says 'Nobody likes you' she adds the qualifier 'right now', which implies that in the future, people will like him again. And it's ... IDK, close to the hyperbole you use around kids?
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Yes, I can see that. But honestly, I was left more strongly with the words "... and you're just gonna have to deal with that."
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Crushbot has not retreated to a position of "well, this wasn't my fault." He is apologetic regardless. This is the right thing to do, isn't it? We're often so quick to condemn people with "faux apologies." Well, this isn't one of them.
I just can't imagine ever telling someone extending a sincere apology to shut up, unless they were guilty of something truly heinous. It's just unnecessary.
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Ok, I see. I focussed more on the first part, but you're right that "... and you're just gonna have to deal with that" is ... very harsh.
I can potentially see reasons for harshness even when people are apologetic - e.g. Crushbot seems a little 'young', and there might be reasons to impress on a multi-ton teenager that their being 'young' is a luxury that their fellow beings can ill afford, and that they please grow up now before someone gets killed - but it is very harsh, true.
Personally, I read Faye's dialogue more as the exaggerated scolding a parent or caretaker would apply to a child, like "I'm really mad with you now, because you really shouldn't have done that and someone got hurt because you did, and I really want you to remember that - but I'm not going to stay mad with you forever".
But again, you're right that this is very harsh, potentially bordering on cruelty, depending on circumstances/what happened between comics.
Case:
--- Quote from: Tova on 11 Jan 2019, 19:53 ---In NSW Australia, all drivers need to pass regular vision tests, but this requirement becomes more frequent as you age. It becomes annual when you reach 70 years of age.
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That's a good idea - over here, people need to pass a vision test to get their licence and it's recommended to repeat the test regularly for one's own safety, but afaik, it's not a legal requirement.
BenRG:
I really can't believe how impassioned and out-of-proportion this debate has got. Let me summarise in the simplest terms I know.
Faye was not being cruel or malicious. She was upset because her friend had been seriously hurt, indeed nearly killed. She was reacting to this by lashing out verbally at the most proximate cause for her own distress to hand. This is not a moral failing; it's being human.
Was it an ideal response? No, but Faye isn't an ideal woman and I challenge anyone here to claim with a straight face that, with a friend in ICU and the person whose misadventure caused that before them, that they wouldn't be salty too!
However, notice that Faye is still carrying out the repairs, apparently quite conscientiously. She may be upset but she's not vengeful.
Tova:
--- Quote from: Case on 11 Jan 2019, 21:56 ---Personally, I read Faye's dialogue more as the exaggerated scolding a parent or caretaker would apply to a child, like "I'm really mad with you now, because you really shouldn't have done that and someone got hurt because you did, and I really want you to remember that - but I'm not going to stay mad with you forever".
But again, you're right that this is very harsh, potentially bordering on cruelty, depending on circumstances/what happened between comics.
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Well, at this point, I'm going to assume that Faye and Crushbot have at this point got to know each other well enough that Faye knows Crushbot won't be crushed :claireface: by her remark.
BTW Ben, I don't believe the conversation has been at all out of proportion. Maybe some opinions you don't agree with have been expressed. But judging by your post, maybe you've taken what I've said out of proportion? Because I'm not feeling as impassioned as you seem to think, honestly.
I don't actually think she's guilty of a moral failing. I don't think she's vengeful either.
I did say that what she said seemed malicious. The key word is "seemed." I suspect it actually was not. But it came across that way.
We agree it wasn't an ideal response. Good. I'm quite comfortable and content with that. Like I have already said - I don't condemn her for it. It's understandable.
Case:
--- Quote from: Milayna on 11 Jan 2019, 17:17 ---<snip>
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