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WCDT 7-11 January 2019 (3911-3915)

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Case:

--- Quote from: pwhodges on 07 Jan 2019, 23:34 ---
It's a long time since I bothered to make a fuss about it, but people have recently become really profligate with their quoting.  It actually makes it harder to read a conversation when it reaches the point that you have to scroll in a single post to find where the new bit is.  Trimming quotes to the points you are replying to is not hard, makes your own contribution easier to find and place in context, and is a courtesy to other forum users.  The oldest post in the block shown above as an example had been quoted nine times!  Would people prefer me to turn on the facility that removes multiple quotes automatically?  That has downsides too, but perhaps the result would be more like other social media in which quoting is not so easy to abuse.

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TheCollector:
Roko's new body has more accurate ears! :D

Tova:

--- Quote from: Gyrre on 07 Jan 2019, 23:23 ---It took a bit to find it, but here's George Carlin going over the misuse of common phrases (including "copping out").

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That was a lot of fun to listen to, but I think you meant to link this one.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3vhcy3XaQ

--- Quote from: BenRG on 07 Jan 2019, 23:19 ---What he has stated is that he finds some of his dramatic storylines emotionally hard to write and draw and it doesn't surprise me when he tries to resolve them quickly and without prolonged harm to his characters. I've seen comments from him on Twitter that suggest very strongly to me that he has an emotional connection with them that greatly impacts what he is able to do with them. Unlike some webcomic creators whose works I read, he literally cannot easily do them harm or even disrespect their privacy and deeper dignity. FWIW, I don't consider that a flaw on his part but part of what you need to understand to 'get' his work and the stories he wants to tell.

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I don't follow him on Twitter (nothing to do with him - I just don't use Twitter in general). But this makes sense to me. No, I wouldn't use that kind of wording either. It is a strong characteristic of his work that probably determines to a large extent whether or not you enjoy his comics.

P.S. I don't know about other people, but I would quite like it if you did turn on automatic removal of nested quotes. I agree that removing nested quotes is easy... unless you're on a phone, in which case it's a PITA. It's also an easy thing to forget about when you're focused on the conversation.

Netherdan:
Roko needs to see what she paid for.
IT'S BUTT LOGO TIME PEEPS

Case:

--- Quote from: TV4Fun on 07 Jan 2019, 18:09 ---I didn't respond to dutchrvl's request for an example because Tova said basically the same thing I was going to say, except perhaps that we disagree on the definition of a copout.
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Ah! Honi suit qui pense ex post facto ...  :laugh:


--- Quote from: TV4Fun on 07 Jan 2019, 18:09 ---Please give an example of where I have moved goalposts or employed circular reasoning.
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? Ok. How about this one?


--- Quote from: TV4Fun on 07 Jan 2019, 18:09 ---
--- Quote from: dutchrvl on 07 Jan 2019, 13:45 ---On a serious note, while I was very disappointed with Alice Grove's 'resolution' myself as well, I honestly have no idea whether Jeph had always planned AG that way or if he originally intended to do much more in terms of drama/development etc. If it's the former, then we can't really call it 'copping out', no?

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I'll call it copping out. Planning to cop out is still copping out. If you set up a dramatic conflict in your story and then just resolve it by magic (spookybot e.g.), that is bad writing, and whether you planned to write badly or not, it's still a copout.

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Basic Syllogism:

premise1) All A (crows) are B (black)
premise2) c is A
conclusion: Therefore, c is B

Now look what you're doing instead:

premise1) Jeph copped out writing Alice Grove
premise2) Jeph planned/did not plan to cop out before writing Alice Grove
conclusion: Jeph copped out writing Alice Grove

See? Your major premise already contains the conclusion. That's what's called circular reasoning, vicious circle etc.


P.S.: Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I disagree on a bunch of things, but I'm glad that my fear of 'lazy, provocative drive-by posting' turned out to be wrong. My apologies for thinking wrong of you.

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