Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 21-25 January 2019 (3921-3925)
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 22 Jan 2019, 08:19 ---Have Roko and Claire met, yet? If Roko is, indeed, suffering from some dysphoria directed at her own body, then may be Claire can relate to Roko's suffering? Lend an understanding ear, possibly even offer some suggestions? I confess that I am unable to judge whether comparing their two dysphoria cases is at all meaningful.
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It could possibly work. I mean, she is probably more aware of the feeling compared to anyone else in the comic, but there would certainly be a limitation to it. Claire has been transitioning for several years and presumably been going to a therapist as well to help her process the emotion, but at the same time, Claire has modified her body to a point where the real her is finally free, but that's just it, her body is still hers. Roko's had to implanted into a whole new body. That could be an entirely different problem.
OldGoat:
I'm in the Dangling Carrot camp. The pedicure line is the equivalent of a bald person saying, "I can't go out tonight, I have to wash my hair."
Spooky is manipulative and knew full well Roko's question was coming. They also know the hook is set.
A small perverse otter:
I don't think Spookybot will agree -- sanctity of mind is one of the few principles to which they adhere, and that kind of mind control would violate even the loosest interpretation of violation of the sanctity of mind.
TheEvilDog:
Bear in mind that sanctity of mind referred to Bubbles' state due to CorpseWitch messing up the procedure to clear those memories. Which was based more on CW's absolute incompetence in that situation. Its like going to a back-alley doctor for medication and nearly dying because the doctor fucked up.
Remember, Spookybot isn't CorpseWitch. This is an entity that has access to technology that seem like magic, they are a walking example of Clarke's Third Law.
Roko's and Bubbles' respective situations are both completely different. Bubbles wanted to remove the painful memories because she couldn't deal with them. Roko is afraid that her mind is going to be forever trapped in an alien body. One wanted to run from the pain and lost everything. The other is afraid that she will never get back to herself.
Now, SpookyBot doesn't just show up to say hi, they don't come up to make sure that Roko is settling in okay. They are a trickster mentor of a kind. But they're a bit of an ass doing it.
A small perverse otter:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 22 Jan 2019, 15:51 ---Bear in mind that sanctity of mind referred to Bubbles' state due to CorpseWitch messing up the procedure to clear those memories. Which was based more on CW's absolute incompetence in that situation.
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I think that this is the key point of debate here. I view the direct modification of anything about a mind to conform to its body as a violation of the sanctity of that mind, no matter what the motivation is. It's changing a person in a way that changing a body is not, and the spectrum of unintended consequences is horrifying. If Roko's true difficulty lies in the change of body, then there's a possible solution: find an older model and switch over to it or modify the current one so that she doesn't feel out of place in it.
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