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WCDT Strips 3976-3980 (April 8th-12th, 2019)
War Sparrow:
I too am inclined to agree with Emperor Norton. Marriage, for me, is based on communication and trust, and it's work. It wouldn't be "self sabotage" for Dora to say no here if she decides that Tai and her relationship isn't at that level just yet.
Of course, I also look askance at surprise proposals when the couple in question haven't discussed marriage, but I am a curmudgeon.
pendrake:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 11 Apr 2019, 11:13 ---... You know, the fact that Dora is so matter of fact about how important the relationship is to her, yet they have never actually talked about it to the degree that it was obvious it was this important kind of...
doesn't sit right with me?
Like, one of the biggest problems in all marriages is communication, and not saying things because you think that the other person should already know is not really a good sign.
Idk, it really feels like their relationship has kind of skipped several steps where they actually seriously talk about their idea of the future and what importance the other has in it, especially if it jumps to marriage here.
Then again, that could just be a contrast to all the other relationships in the comic that just seem to reach a certain point and then stagnate until they self destruct.
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My take from Dora's matter-of-fact response to Tai's challenge-query was that Dora already HAD thought upon this subject (moving), opposed to Tai's laissez-faire stance; Dora simply had not discussed it with Tai because the subject had not come up until now.
Dora & Tai have been quite serious about each other since Comic(s) 3021-3022 (back in the year of 2015!), despite the light humour that Tai was supposed to be Dora's "rebound" from Marten.
pwhodges:
Sometimes a rebound can end up in the right place.
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: pendrake on 11 Apr 2019, 13:54 ---Dora & Tai have been quite serious about each other since Comic(s) 3021-3022 (back in the year of 2015!), despite the light humour that Tai was supposed to be Dora's "rebound" from Marten.
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It isn't about being "quite serious about each other" it is about the lack of communication. Also, to be honest, maybe its being a cranky old man, but I don't generally consider the first time a couple say they love each other is "quite serious about each other" anyway. I know a lot of fiction uses it as a huge major milestone that signifies something significant, but in my experience, it's a very very early milestone in a relationship.
I mean, Angus and Faye loved each other, and said as much, but that didn't mean that Faye was ready to uproot her life for him.
Hell, I've loved plenty of people that when it really came down to it I couldn't imagine being with on a permanent basis.
Oenone:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 11 Apr 2019, 08:47 ---
--- Quote from: jessic ---Yeah I don't get it either. Marten has a life he's happy with, he's not in debt or anything. I don't see the issue. Is it an American thing to be bothered by "unambitious character is not motivated to improve his prettty-damn-okay life", maybe? I have no idea. :?
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He does have student loans, but that's a minor point. Your main point is much more interesting. Maybe it is an American thing. We've got an industry of motivational speakers urging people to take chances and try for more. We've got a beloved former President who said
--- Quote ---"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotion, spends himself in a worthy cause; who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have never tasted victory or defeat."
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A less dramatic version predates America. One author (American btw :-)) summarized the ancient Greek path to happiness as "the exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording them scope". Marten's not getting that. Touring with the band and making a poor and irregular income, he would be getting that.
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It is actually a very American thing — Americans associate plots with concrete and specific action, vs ineffable slice of life.
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