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TheEvilDog:
Maybe the question shouldn't be "why are the new films so bad?" and instead should be "why were the original films so enjoyable?"

There's obviously something in the old trilogy that people loved and that worked on some level. Maybe it was the time, maybe it was the old school special effects, maybe the characters were so enjoyable. Maybe people are looking at the old films through the haze of nostalgia and holding the new films to a much higher and stricter standard?

It seems to me that the core concept of the prequel trilogy was sound, just an over-reliance on green screen and CGI brought it down and while some of the actors were some of the best of the time (and still are), they were utilised properly. In response, you get the sequel trilogy where they seem to think that they have to recapture the essence of what made the original trilogy work - the core trio, the rebels fighting against an evil force, the family member fallen to the Dark Side, the deaths of the mentors. Only, it feels forced. The Luke-Leia-Han trio worked because of the chemistry of the actors combined with how they were drawn together works, whereas Rey-Finn-Poe feels so contrived and while there is some working chemistry, it doesn't seem to have the lifelong friendship seen elsewhere.

Its trying to formulize a film that worked 40 years ago and only now realising that the formula can't work anymore.

BenRG:

--- Quote from: Castlerook on 02 Nov 2019, 13:26 ---Its trying to formulize a film that worked 40 years ago and only now realising that the formula can't work anymore.
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To me, it's less 'the formula doesn't work anymore'. The OT is still popular, after all. The problem is attempting to reuse the formula simply by plugging new characters into it instead of telling an organic next logical set of stories in the saga. IMO at least, the next logical step would have been the Balance that the Prophecy of the Chosen One spoke of and was never achieved by Anakin. Instead we're just getting a retread of old paths.

TheEvilDog:
From what I understand about the prophecy, Anakin did bring about balance to the Force - by slaughtering the Jedi and eventually killing Palpatine, he brought balance by removing the two toxic sides that were using the Force. He brought both sides down to nothing, leaving the galaxy open to new ideas and new interpretations.

Theta9:

--- Quote from: Castlerook on 02 Nov 2019, 15:37 ---From what I understand about the prophecy, Anakin did bring about balance to the Force - by slaughtering the Jedi and eventually killing Palpatine, he brought balance by removing the two toxic sides that were using the Force. He brought both sides down to nothing, leaving the galaxy open to new ideas and new interpretations.

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Or as somebody i don't remember once commented, "Considering that the Jedi outnumber the Sith a thousand to two, wouldn't 'bringing balance to the Force' involve a lot of dead Jedi?"

BenRG:
It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.

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