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naming logical fallacies
Akima:
If you want to avoid politics, a form I'm familiar with is:
"Asian students only do well because they cheat", so it follows that,
"Any Asian who got a degree did so by cheating.", but,
"If Asian students fail, the exam system is infallible, and they failed because they're stupid racial inferiors."
I don't know what to call it either, beyond being an arsehole.
Tova:
Your example made me think of the fallacy "motivated reasoning," but yeah, "being an arsehole" is probably the most comprehensive explanation.
Wingy:
I believe the first one is: affirming the consequent
and the second one is: denying the antecedent
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Case:
This is an example of the Tovarian Sophistry
--- Quote from: Tova on 19 Jul 2019, 02:35 ---US conservatives, in particular, need to get over this syllogism they seem to always carry around.
Socialism = BAD
This is socialism
Therefore this is BAD
--- End quote ---
Mentioned in the DSM-VI as an acute symptom of optimatiate senile encephalopathy.
Case:
--- Quote from: Wingy on 25 Jul 2019, 18:13 ---I believe the first one is: affirming the consequent
and the second one is: denying the antecedent
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
--- End quote ---
Naw - circular reasoning.
It's a subtle sleight of hand - the first line suggest that the argument is about proving that Democrats can only win elections if they cheat, but the second line then changes tack and pretends that it's about proving that Democrats have cheated.
A valid syllogism would be:
Suppose that it is true that a Democrat can only win the presidency if they cheat,
(then it is also true that:)
If they win the presidency, it proves that they have cheated
The pseudo-syllogism omits the 'suppose that it is true'-part to confuse the reader about the role of the first line - whether it is premise or conclusion.
You could also call it lying.
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