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Is it cold in here?:

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--- Quote from: Torlek on 07 Jan 2020, 20:40 ---May's right to what?

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Right to make a living. Her body is an impediment to supporting herself.

If I were a civil rights lawyer in the QC world, I'd argue that it's an 8th Amendment violation under the deliberate indifference standard to issue someone still under correctional control a defective body. I might even appeal to emotion by asking the jury how they'd feel if their arm fell off because of deliberate neglect.

There must be low-spec refurbished bodies out there which fit into a tight budget but that would meet minimal standards of decency.

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I had to register to poke in on this. This is absolutely where I think this is going. AnthroPCs aren't required to have humanoid chassis, but to me it seems like with the fact they're sentients and the like, there should be at the very least a minimum expectation. May is considered "enough of a person" to be imprisoned, given a parole officer, and all that jazz-- therefore, there is some onus on the state to prove that May, a humanoid that has been considered enough of a person to be convicted and parolled, does not require a new body to function as a member of society.

There is now a litany of documented evidence that the body given to her by the state is subpar and forms a burden on her. Her debt to society has been paid-- they're actively inhibiting her at this point which is a big no-no. This is also why I think that banning AI from renting out processor time (which is the literal equivalent of banning a human from ever working 90% of available jobs probably) is probably an unconstitutional punishment that the Supreme Court hasn't waded into yet. But they're gonna have to eventually....

This is the sort of thing that starts a civil rights movement, TBH.

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Welcome, new person!

The AI civil rights movement looks like it has more work to do.

Jeph may have based this on research into the correctional system for organic people in our world. Unnecessary obstacles are placed in the path of people trying to go straight after prison.

TV4Fun:

--- Quote from: rtmq0227 on 09 Jan 2020, 18:47 ---Of course, you would have thought this pop-up would have occurred during her self-destructive face-washing episode.

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There might have been a new update released since then.

Dngrsone:

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--- Quote from: Mordhaus on 09 Jan 2020, 00:00 ---The problem is that he doesn't realize the connections Roko has. He is literally blowing off someone who is friends with something (https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3412) who could destroy his life, the life of his family, his friends, and even their families as an example.

I'm just surprised that Roko hasn't involved them prior to this point, although I assume she wanted to try the normal channels first.

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Siccing Spooky on someone who is just doing his job (badly, perhaps, but still doing it) is absolutely loathsome.

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And lazy.  My biggest problem with Spookybot and for that matter Hannelore is they have the potential to be deus ex machinas when there’s a problem beyond the other characters’ abilities to fix.  An easy fix for the sake of a happy ending doesn’t happen all that often in real life.  Even though this is a webcomic I prefer it follow certain storytelling rules.


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This has been addressed.  Hanner's tried to punish a restaurant that gave Marten food poisoning by siccing her mother on them, and Marten told her no, that it was an accident and the family shouldn't be made to pay for a random occurrence. 

Spookybot is a chaotic neutral entity at best with really only one hard-fast rule (don't muck around in other people's minds).  That they donated $2m to charitable causes only shows how hard they are trying to be friend-worthy to Roko (I imagine being that powerful makes one seriously lonely).

In a nutshell, Spookybot doesn't care, is not going to care, and frankly shouldn't care.

Also bear in mind that May doesn't want charity.  The only reason she's letting Roko go with this is because she's looking for a little justice: she's paid her dues, is rehabilitated and rehabilitating (thanks in large part to Dale and Momo), but the shackles still applied to her courtesy of the body assignment department of robot jail are keeping her from carrying on with her life.

JoeCovenant:
I'm sorry to bring this back to the dude in the office.

I've read a couple of posts above (below??) takling about how the guy may well have been dismissive, cold etc... but trying to justify that as there IS nothing he can do, and it's his way of coping.

Except...
It's his JOB to deal with 'people' (Meat or AI).
It is NOT his job to be cold, rude, dismissive - it is (perhaps) his job to tell people like Roko that what they are asking for, through no fault of his own, isn't possible. (This all being supposition from what he said to Roko.. whether or not it IS the case is yet to be seen, I think).
And I doubt that the words "must be rude, dismissive and cold to customers" is in his job description.

To attempt to justify his actions because "he's seen it to oftne" or "There actually isn't anything that can be done" negates the impact those things can have on his 'customers'. It's an extreme example, but...

He is the front line dude.
Someone (Lets just say an AI) is at the end of their tether, their legs keep falling off. They can't hold down a job because of this. They have literally nowhere else to turn. They come to see this guy and he acts like the douche he acted like... The AI decides they can't handle it and go scrap themselves.

Extreme, no?

No, not really.
The cold, rude and base uncaring face of bureaucracy has caused suicides, mental anguish and murders IRL.
If this guy is so affected by his job that this is the way he is acting.
He needs to find another job.

(Statement of Interest: I work in a government dept. that has seen exactly that sort of fall-out due to 'colleagues' who are burned out and lost every jot of empathy they ever had. Some people lose faith in the system they work for because they cannot make REAL differences, and that turns to a hardening against the customers because they can't do what the customer wants/needs them to do. Then, sadly, there are just arses who should never have been in the job ion the first place, who don't give a good fuck about the customers as long as they get their wages.

Guys like the one Roko tried to punch a wall about are real... and the impacts of their lack of Empathy can be devastating to "ordinary people".)

Zebediah:
Regarding OopsieGuard[emoji769]: Many years ago I was at a party and was handed a drink called a “fireball”. As I recall, the active ingredients included tequila, cinnamon schnapps, and Tabasco sauce. In other words, it was one of those drinks deliberately designed to make you ill, just to see if you can take it.

Being young and already somewhat drunk, I decided to give it a try. But as I raised the drink to my mouth, the aroma hit my nostrils and my hand stopped moving. I was willing myself to put the glass to my mouth, but it was like my arm muscles were refusing my instructions. No matter how hard I tried, I literally could not move the glass any closer to my mouth.

Now, I’m not arguing that this was a bad decision. It was absolutely the right call. But it didn’t feel like my decision. Some part of my brain overrode my conscious free will that night. And the fact that I still vividly remember this, more than thirty years later, should give you a clue as to how disturbing that was.

And Roko already has issues with this body not feeling like her own. There’s a total meltdown coming very soon.

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