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--- Quote from: Cornelius on 29 Jul 2020, 02:32 ---Not to mention the human trafficking concerns surrounding prostitution; or the way many of them are coerced into it, even without being transported across the continent.
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Coercion is not inherent to prostitution. If a prostitute is being coerced, then why doesn't he seek recourse? If prostitution is illegal, he can't easily go to the police about it. That argument about prostitutes being more coerced than nonprostitutes only applies when prostitution is illegal. Furthermore, there are other support systems that a prostitute might use for recourse. A prostitute might use the services of a madame or pimp. A prostitute might use a mafia-style insurance, where the mafia, for a fee, promises to harm anyone that doesn't do his part of the transaction. Perhaps there are other support systems in place for prostitutes. The ones I mentioned are not great. If prostitution were legal, a prostitute could just go to the police like any other person. (Not that that's much better, mind you.)
Why are you against the transportation of humans? I benefit from being transported quite often. Even during the epidemic, I sometimes use transportation on myself to get to and from the grocery store.
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 29 Jul 2020, 02:25 ---Well, it's not quite that simple. For instance, the mis-use of drugs can lead to self-harm which imposes a cost on the society which then picks you up and cares for you (though admittedly some don't do all that much in that regard).
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There is not much that is simple in the world. Drugs are no exception. Better education about the effects of the drug leads to less mis-use. Being illegal makes it difficult to study it, meaning we know less about it. Being illegal makes would-be consumers reluctant to seek the information, fearing prosecution. Being illegal makes the topic taboo for some. To pre-empt "think of the children", a parent is less likely to spent much time speaking with his children about taboo topics, and children are less likely to bring up taboo topics with their parents. This leads to a situation where many a parent will spare only a few sentences on the topic of drugs. For example, "don't do drugs" or "drugs make you stupid".
To paraphrase your argument about drugs:
--- Quote ---Well, it's not quite that simple. For instance, the mis-use of razors can lead to harm which imposes a cost on the society which then picks you up and cares for you (though admittedly some don't do all that much in that regard).
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Should razors be banned because they might be used or bloodletting?
Cornelius:
Edit: spoilered off topic reply.
(click to show/hide)Perhaps it's not inherent, but you'll find there's a lot more coercion there, than, say, in restocking shelves in the supermarket.
True, illegality is a problem, but frankly, who's to say they get to go to the police in the first place, even if it should be legal? The support systems you mention, are exactly what keeps them from doing so. Even where there's no psychological manipulation.
I do hope your remark about transportation was an ill-timed attempt at a joke. Even then, you are making very light of a large and terrible issue. Of the modern day slave trade, to be exact.
As for drugs, I'm seriously considering rejecting your paraphrase entirely. There might be some merit somewhere, but that would rather be to expose the reasons some people come to do self harm through drugs and cutting. I do not see it having merit in proving it is a crime that affects only the "perpetrators".
To be honest, there are good arguments for decriminalising both, but I'm not sure it will necessarily lead to better education. Only working towards better education can do that: it takes an effort, and something merely being legal does not mean people will go and find more information, even where that is available. And being legal, in a recreational market, I'd say there's a definite incentive for the manufacturers to contribute to desinformation - just look at what the tobacco lobby has managed for years.
Is it cold in here?:
Global Moderator Comment Hello. We want to be flexible about topic drift, but this has gotten extreme and I just got a complaint about it. I see at least two possible new threads for DISCUSS sprouting here.
Cornelius:
Understood. Will cease and desist.
厚目眠子:
I like thinking through little things.
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