Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT strips 4266-70 (18-22 May 2020)
Wingy:
--- Quote from: Castlerook on 21 May 2020, 05:44 ---One second Faye's relationship with Bubbles is going great and literally a second later, Faye has gotten smacked in the face by a past that neither she nor Bubbles can achieve closure with. This is more than the realisation that Bubbles had a past, this is realising that Bubbles had a past with people, people she loved, people who may have meant more. And that is a lot to take in in a matter of seconds. Is Faye acting in an irrational manner? Yeah, but then again her entire world has just been upended, everything she was certain about with her relationship with Bubbles is now no longer certain. And previous experience has shown us that Faye can't handle sudden changes in a healthy manner, she acts out and as for what happens next, well, tomorrow is Friday, perfect day for a cliffhanger.
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Emphasis mine.
Yup, well writ. Hopefully Faye just goes outside to process and doesn't relapse, but...
Bubbles, in my view, should make sure Faye parks somewhere safe, then rejoin the party for 15 minutes or so, then quietly rejoin Faye without speaking until Faye decides what they are going to do next: go home, go drinking, rejoin the party, etc.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 21 May 2020, 04:04 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 21 May 2020, 03:16 ---Should I be tarred as either a misogynist or anti-trans because of that?
(Genuine question)
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Genuinely -- no, I don't believe you are. You seem a decent guy. But your hyper-sensitivity on this topic does make me wonder what is going on.
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Well, I've not seen too much "hyper sensitivity" regarding Claire, apart from my comment saying that I don't like her. All the other have questioned her attitude to her Brother, but thats understandable...
But I just can't get on board with the character at all.. Never have...
(Edit.. no.. there was ONE strip I remember recently ish...)
And, yes, my dislike of her gives me a shiver of paranoia because I have a concern (reasonable considering "the Web") that my dislike could be viewed by a certain element of online communities, as Anti Trans... (or anti Female) because some people act (or react) that way for some reason. (Hence my other disclaimer about SW:TLJ)
Because, it is becoming more and more the norm within FICTION (let alone real life) to throw labels around, such as Misogynist and Anti-Trans, at people who DARE to discuss those characters (who may generally be seen as a 'put upon' group) in anything other than angelic tones.
(And in movies - such criticisms lead to ridiculous perceptions that the actual actors themselves are being attacked... ignoring the fact that all that is being said is that their characters were crap and badly written/directed.
In a comic, there's no 3rd party... just the character, so any criticism has no 'buffer'.
At least, in my favour, I can say that I didn't like her before we even knew she 'was' trans... And, in fact, when we learned she was I thought.. "Awwwh feck!" For the same reasons above. I have deleted more un-posted posts than I can remember about my reaction to some Claire strips which I have deleted solely because I didn't want anyone to think I was criticising anything but the character.
--- Quote from: Tova on 21 May 2020, 04:04 ---There's no reason to assume Gyrre is accusing you specifically of being a misogynist, and no hint of Gyrre assuming anyone of being anti-trans.
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See above ;)
--- Quote from: Tova on 21 May 2020, 04:04 ---You know what's rude? Jumping to conclusions about people's intentions without at least asking.
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To be fair (to me :) ) I *did* ask... but your snip missed out the disclaimer...
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 21 May 2020, 03:16 ---"By your statement above, it suggests to me that you believe *I* (for example) am 'attacking' Clair because she is trans.
OR because she is female.
Neither of which is true... I just don't like the character.
Should I be tarred as either a misogynist or anti-trans because of that?
(Genuine question)"
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PL&L :angel:
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: Reaver on 21 May 2020, 10:09 ---I mean, I normally don't like Faye, so it feels weird for me to say but...
I read this as Faye realizing that Bubbles is missing a lot about herself, and is possibly leaving to see if there's SOMETHING, ANYTHING she can do to try and help her...I don't think it's Faye being worried about ghosts in Bubbles's past...more like maybe just genuine concern for her partner that has a hole in their life???
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OK, but the natural way to be helpful would be to stay and offer a hug.
thedevilissix:
I suppose my take on it is this.
I was initially really annoyed reading the last panel with Faye making that sarky “Sargeant or whatever” comment back at poor Bubbles who was obviously taken aback and worried, yet still trying to be reasonable and give the lady she loves the benefit of the doubt. That’s definitely a huge character development on Bubbles’ part to show her softer side from a position still of relative assertiveness and strength - in her armoured days (in more ways than one), Bubbles might’ve reacted very differently.
A lot of forum members here though have made really reasonable points about Faye’s history that have helped me think differently though - I wouldn’t necessarily excuse Faye’s behaviour still, but I certainly understand it better with her personal history context in mind, so I’m not as inclined to judge it harshly now.
I suppose at the end of the day this is part and parcel of reading a slice of life comic - you get to see people react in not terribly rational ways that are understandable given their personal history - just like in real life. Faye was obviously trying to minimise the effects of her reaction to Bubbles so as not to hurt her (whilst still creating some needed processing space to figure it out herself)...but sometimes in pressured situations the right things to say just don’t come to you and you may indeed end up making an arse of yourself. That’s life. And I’ve done well to remember that here, so thanks to Castlerook amongst others for the reminder. :-)
It will be interesting to see what comes in the strip tomorrow. And I have no doubt that a cliffhanger might indeed ensue.
Theta9:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 21 May 2020, 10:26 ---
--- Quote from: Theta9 on 21 May 2020, 08:35 ---Chasing Amy
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THANK you! :)
(God I love that movie... for precisely the reasons we are discussing right here! :) )
Love of my life, perfect relationship... and then someone mentioned one of my exes to her and that was it. No warnings, no hints, just suddenly medusa.)
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Kevin Smith's best film by a long way. Based on his own relationship with Joey Lauren Adams (who played Alyssa).
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