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WCDT Strips 4321-4325 (3-7 August 2020)

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N.N. Marf:

--- Quote from: Case on 10 Aug 2020, 06:47 ---AI substrates, otoh, are, according to JJ, the result of an 'emergent process' that is intrinsicly linked to both the AI running on the specific substrate, as as its the cumulative history (its 'past' if you will - the sum of all its thoughts & actions). The term I use by myself is 'analog/human-grade distinguishability' - meaning that the substrate shapes the AI at the same time that the AI shapes its substrate and the result is as unique as the duality making up your body and 'soul' (for lack of a better term).

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I'd say the distinguishability of cybrids is more like how you can recognize your flesh-bound friend's manner of speaking when he's online; not conclusive, but you can put some tests by trying by giving one idea to the digital persona and see how your flesh-bound friend (doesn't) change.

Gyrre:

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--- Quote from: Wingy on 04 Aug 2020, 07:11 ---Why would such a code be in the chassis when the substrate of their mind units has got to be unique? 

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--- Quote from: Case on 04 Aug 2020, 06:49 ---I'd imagine that AIs would be required to broadcast some form of digital signature - perhaps tied to the specific substrate they're running on?

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Hmmm.  My reply seems to have gone missing.  And we're using substrate in different ways which may add to the confusion.  So a substrateless restatement:
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Sorry for the late reply.


--- Quote ---For identification purposes, why would an AI include a serial from their chassis?
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Good question - why would it? FWIW, I do not assume that this concept would make much sense, and the second sentence in my post that you quoted ("If AIs could evade identification with something akin to MAC spoofing, QCverse law enforcement would have some serious trouble, I suppose?") was actually me proposing a counter-argument against the feasibility of the 'serial in chassis' concept (IIRC, that latter sentence was in reply to a post by IICIH upthread from mine).

So it appears the only thing we disagree on ... is more or less that there's disagreement at all?  :psyduck:

(click to show/hide)The way I understand QCverse, the QCverse-chassis (unlike the substrates the AIs run on (see more below)) are roughly of the same 'order of distinguishability' from any other instance of the same make and model as, say, the CPU in my PC is from any of its brethren that rolled of the same assembly line; and if (!) the chassis' were the only carriers of identifying information, I'd expect QC authorities - and QCverse police in particular - to have a significant problem on their hand, namely a substantial share of their sentient & sapient populace that is able to swap readily identities with each other (Let's leave aside intrusive methods of identification for a moment - in most real-world ID-ing scenarios, you're likely to have only seconds to make a decision, and no permission to dissassemble the person in question).

In my understanding of QCverse AIs and chassis', the chassis are more-or-less 'our world'-grade electronics products. Means I believe that chassis of the same model are as indistiguishable from another as, say, my Archer C7 Router is from any of its brethren - the only easy way to tell them apart under real-world conditions (~ limited time for each test, limited feasibility of intrusive testing) is by their MAC address (which can be spoofed). By myself, I use the term 'our world machine-grade distinguishable' for that sort of entity, by which I mean that any identification scheme, however advanced, would run into the same fundamental obstacle that 'OurWorld' identification schemes for digital copies and/or assembly-line produced machinery have run into -> namely that the only readily distinguishable feature of the entire product is the ID itself.

AI substrates, otoh, are, according to JJ, the result of an 'emergent process' that is intrinsicly linked to both the AI running on the specific substrate, as as its the cumulative history (its 'past' if you will - the sum of all its thoughts & actions). The term I use by myself is 'analog/human-grade distinguishability' - meaning that the substrate shapes the AI at the same time that the AI shapes its substrate and the result is as unique as the duality making up your body and 'soul' (for lack of a better term).
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This gets into some of the arguments against the whole Mission Impossible rubber mask scenario. For one, an individual will have several idiosyncrasies. Idiosyncrasies that anyone familiar with them will pick up on, and even the most oblivious meatsacks should clue in on if something is 'off' about the behavior of someone they know. Whether it be word choices, speech patterns, or usual habits.
EXAMPLE: Bob always turns the door  handle up. This guy who looks like Bob has only turned the door handle down to open it today.  Ask Bob if he's ok or if that's even Bob.

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