Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT Strips 4336-4340 (25th-29th, August 2020)
Is it cold in here?:
We do know that May has documented problems with lack of impulse control.
As far as we know it was a first offense, so not proof by itself that she is depraved.
jesslc:
Several people called it but I did like seeing May say she wants to look at their most reasonably priced and reliable new bodies. Very sensible of her. And also in character with the way she been (gradually) growing over the course of her time in the comic.
--- Quote from: Gnabberwocky on 27 Aug 2020, 21:55 ---I was not expecting any of this from Beepatrice. She's normally so..."reasonable" feels like the wrong word. I guess "clean?" That's not quite what I'm going for, but you get my point.
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Beeps does have a "clean" (for lack of a better word) image a lot of the time but in that first interview with Roko, Beeps was very curious after Roko let slip about her bread fetish. I've had the impression that Beeps has internalised some shame/embarrassment around their other job rather than being an innately prudish person. I think that framing it as "the strippers are for helping May feel better about this" possibly allows Beeps to bypass that internalised shame/embarrassment.
Also Beeps did suggest a bikini car wash fundraiser here: https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4310
By the way, has there been any official word on Beeps's pronouns? In the early comics featuring Beeps, Jeph's author comment used "they" to refer to Beeps and Roko also used "they" when talking about Beeps with Bubbles later (links below). But I'm pretty sure I've also seen an author comment and/or a character in comic use "she/her" when referring to Beeps at a later date.
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3884
https://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3892
chris73:
--- Quote from: oddtail on 29 Aug 2020, 17:26 ---
--- Quote from: chris73 on 29 Aug 2020, 17:20 ---Generally speaking most criminals can be categorized as selfish with no empathy and manipulative with no long term planning
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When you have time to write a longer post, I'm gonna need a source for that claim. Because to me it's not as self-evident as I assume it is for you. What's more, I strongly disagree with this assertion.
EDIT: I'd also like a clarification of what you mean by "criminal". By default I assume it refers to a person that committed a crime serious enough to warrant punishment as per the law, and did it at least once. But maybe you mean a person who commits crimes repeatedly or habitually. If you refer to anyone who's ever committed a crime, we're entering uneasy territory, because I think one'd be hard-pressed to find all that many people who've *never* broken the law in a way that's punishable at least in theory. So I'm wondering what the threshold is for a person to qualify as a criminal.
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18 months working the floor in units from minimum to maximum including ISU including stints in both mens and womens prisons is where I get my assertions from. If you rape, assault, steal, rob, hurt etc etc someone then yeah thats to me a lack of empathy, you don't care about the other persons view on the matter, you don't care what you're doing to them, all you want in that moment is to satisfy you're own selfish desires (money, sex, power whatever) so thats why I categorise prisoners as mostly selfish and lacking empathy, can you tell me why you disagree?
Its a tricky one, its sort of like pornography in that I may not be able to define it but I know it when I see it but habitually is probably the best definition
chris73:
--- Quote ---Chris, would you care to reflect on why it is you think that so many prisoners end up this way?
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I've touched on this before on page 5 and 6 of the criminal justice reform thread but same of the questions to be asked about this are:
Why are so many men getting women pregnant when contraception is widely available (and why do the men run away from their responsibilities), why are so many women taking drugs/smoking/drinking while pregnant when theres so much knowledge what damage can be done to the baby, why is prison the best option for so many prisoners, why arn't there enough hospital beds to mental illness/drug addiction, where are the meaningful jobs but if you were to sort out those issues then you'd find there'd be a lot less people in prison
If these questions could be answered
--- Quote ---While you are at it, another question to reflect on would be whether the characteristics you're listing are a cause of criminality or a result of spending time in the prison system, or whether they are all correlated but caused by an entirely separate factor e.g. upbringing or genetics (or some combination of these things).
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Well the thing is to be sent to prison (in NZ anyway) you have to have done something pretty serious so the judges will generally look at fines, home detention, community work before being sent away so arguably jail itself doesn't play much of a part at all (or at least the repercussions of their actions don't) however once they're inside then they can certainly make contacts and gangs are always looking for prospects (or victims)
I do think genetics plays a part in it, there've always been criminals and there'll always be criminals no matter what type of justice is around so not wanting to sit on the fence but really its some, all or most likely a combination of the things you mentioned above
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Tova on 29 Aug 2020, 14:38 ---Chris, would you care to reflect on why it is you think that so many prisoners end up this way?
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I work with a bunch of ex-cons.
Most ended up in prison thanks to being dealt a bad hand and making bad decisions. The ones that are a royal pain in the ass are the ones who're hard-headed and seem like they always have to be breaking at least one rule (chewing gum, phone out on the floor, no helmet, no earplugs, etc). The rest of them are just trying to make do and reintegrate.
Some of them very much do end up much like May; bitter, cynical, and somewhat combative. There are those that are distrustful of any kindness, and those that are still very stuck on themselves. Many of them are very guarded as they've only been out for anywhere from a month to a few years. And I'd imagine that sort of thing takes awhile to get used to. Especially since some of them seem to see me as yet another guard (I'm a line inspector). I try not to let it bother me, but we do work with food, so I can't let the hairnets, beardnets, or gloves slide.
EDIT: (more to add)
Sometimes it's very frustrating. Especially when the floor supervisors won't back us (QA) up. But pretty much all I can do is keep to procedure, show mercy when necessary, and hope that nobody screws up bad enough to get the plant shut down.
I've been there almost long enough to have the requisite experience for other QA jobs, so I've dusted off my resumé as well. Here's hoping nothing falls through.
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