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Gnabberwocky:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 29 Sep 2020, 21:37 ---Those chemical processes are part of the whole, and brain is part of the body.
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I think we're arguing about different points. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it seems like you're saying that the brain isn't complete without the body. I agree with that; they're codependent. The body needs the brain's control to move and live, and the brain needs the body's supplies to work properly. I was only trying to get at the fact that the root of consciousness is in the brain.
Gyrre:
I wonder if any advanced hybrots will turn up.
I don't recall seeing any updates on that line of research since around 2012.
N.N. Marf:
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 29 Sep 2020, 21:21 ---Whether or not my body is acceptable to me is irrelevant. It is what it is. There is no personality separate from embodiment. We are bodies. Alter the body, you alter the personality.
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I don't think Dock Braun was referencing the acceptability of your body, but the fact that there is no other body that could possibly fit you. Also, being essentially thralled to the whim of arbitrary chemical processes would be a perfect hell for me. There are plenty changes to my body that don't entail changes to my personality. It may be that my personality would need an embodiment to even exist---that seems to be in the nature of this our universe---but that doesn't mean the same personality cannot be embodied otherwise.
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 29 Sep 2020, 21:21 ---Consciousness is non-transferable. Theoretically one could generate a new consciousness very similar to another, but it would not be the same one.
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Personality and consciousness are not identical. Also, I would be very interested in knowing what methods you used to conclude that consciousness cannot move to another embodiment.
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 29 Sep 2020, 21:21 ---The "self" is an illusion.
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All of mathematics, any work of fiction, physics, your thoughts or perceptions---all illusions; doesn't mean they're not real.
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 29 Sep 2020, 21:37 ---Those chemical processes are part of the whole, and brain is part of the body.
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The idea of being part of something is illusory, too. I could extend my definition of self to include all the things I own, or even things I don't own, or the persons with whom I interact. By your reasoning, I could well define myself so that my personality depends on the financial state of a corporation I partially own. The personality is one thing that a person has nigh-total control of.
I think a problem here is we're using crude language discussing subtle concepts.
sitnspin:
It wouldn't be the same personality. At most it would be one very much like it. The personality arises from the gestalt of all the physiological processes currently going on in the body. At most you could replicate those processes somehow in another body, but even if you somehow managed to transfer all of the data stored in the brain along with it, it still wouldn't be the same personality, just a copy. And an imperfect one at that as they would immediate begin to diverge from one another.
Gnabberwocky:
--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 30 Sep 2020, 04:27 ---I think a problem here is we're using crude language discussing subtle concepts.
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“I think perhaps the most important problem is that we are trying to understand the fundamental workings of the universe via a language devised for telling one another where the best fruit is.” --Terry Pratchett
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