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WCDT strips 4381-4385 (Oct 26th to Oct 30th 2020)
neurocase:
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 30 Oct 2020, 07:07 ---
--- Quote from: cybersmurf on 30 Oct 2020, 07:00 ---
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 30 Oct 2020, 05:03 ---Spoilt white guys don’t get second chances.
He is not worth defending.
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I agree that nobody likes spoilt brats. The rest of this post just makes me think you are one. But yeah, well, that's just like... my opinion, man.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
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No, I’d say you were bang on the money. I don’t think I deserve second chances either. I’m definitely a spoilt white guy, so I’ll call that out when I see it.
You get one chance to be a decent human being. I wasted mine, Clinton has wasted his. There is no coming back from that. Other people might forgive you for their own mental health, but you should *never* forget or forgive yourself.
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I strongly disagree with the last part; forgiving yourself is an important component to personal growth.
Potato Farmer:
--- Quote from: SpanielBear on 30 Oct 2020, 07:07 ---No, I’d say you were bang on the money. I don’t think I deserve second chances either. I’m definitely a spoilt white guy, so I’ll call that out when I see it.
You get one chance to be a decent human being. I wasted mine, Clinton has wasted his. There is no coming back from that. Other people might forgive you for their own mental health, but you should *never* forget or forgive yourself.
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So your game plan is to spend the rest of your life hating yourself and telling other people they should do the same?
That doesn't sound very healthy.
sitnspin:
The problem with your reasoning here is that nothing about this situation has anything to do with Clinton being white or a dude. It's just about miscommunication and an inability to divine what another person is thinking or feeling. Nothing he did was terrible or atrocious, just a misreading of social cues. He received information he was relieved to learn and, either hampered by alcohol or just not knowing Elliot well enough yet, thought Elliot would feel the same way. People say the wrong thing unintentionally and sometimes other people's feelings are hurt as a result. This is not a moral failing on their part, just a natural result of being human and thus imperfect.
tangerinewarrior:
This has probably been said (and if so, my apologies, feel free to delete).
Has it ever occurred in canon that Clinton knows of Eliot's attraction to Brun? While his behavior is a bit dickish (telling Eliot that he essentially asked out Brun while he was on a pseudo date with Eliot), I don't think he knows Eliot would be upset by that knowledge either. I'm not even sure if Clinton realizes that this is supposed to be a hang out date with Eliot either (after all, Eliot's at WORK, and Clinton is the clueless sort of person to not think this as a date). I also disagree with the sentiment that Clinton is an asshole here- he is not intentionally trying to hurt or manipulate Eliot. Does this forgive his actions? Absolutely not (neither does him being drunk, as getting drunk is a conscious decision, so bad behavior while he is drunk is totally the his fault*). But, it does mean that Clinton is redeemable: this will be a learning moment for him in the long run. We've already seen this happen: he learned how to be appropriate around Hanners and some of the AIs, and he's had the realization acting that way is atrocious behavior.
*To clarify, I mean actions done BY the drunk person, not to the drunk person. Taking advantage of or assaulting a person who is drunk is wrong, even if the person is drunk. What I mean here is anything hurtful said, or actions (like fighting, trying to force oneself on someone, or other) done BY the drunkard are totally the responsibility of the drunkard.
Gnabberwocky:
I've gone from frustrated to confused.
In the course of three strips, Clinton went from courageous and kind to utterly and completely socially inept and clueless. Maybe that's him, like, fifteen hundred strips ago or something, but he's slowly changed over that time. He's brave about revealing his own feelings, he knows what to say to others, and he's pretty good at figuring stuff out--and then 4384 hit, and he suddenly completely lost the ability to discern even basic details about a social situation. Yes, he's drunk, but he'd only had two beers when he said that. He's not slurring his speech or really acting drunk at all. It's become clear that he wasn't being bitter--he genuinely thought that's what Elliot wanted to hear--but usually he's pretty good about figuring out what people want to hear. Hence my confusion.
Edit: He's slurring a little, but really not all that much.
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