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WCDT 4386-4390 (Nov 2nd - Nov 6th, 2020)

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BenRG:
New comic up and...

I do think that Brun is going to be earning her headache this week. She's a sensible person and one not entirely at ease with the concept of self-deceit and emotional reactions that about which people are not firmly aware. Given that fact, she's going to have a hard time understanding the events of tonight, which have been entirely the result of feelings, desires and hopes that are not always being consciously acknowledged or that the person feels comfortable with.

If it makes you feel better, Brun, I don't think that Elliot is entirely that close to fully 'getting' what's going on himself!

bright:
Not saying that communication isn't a good thing, but sometimes you really aren't in the mood to do so. And sometimes telling people how you really feel at that moment in time, is definitely a bad thing.

It's no use explaining your feelings to someone who's clearly drunk and being irrational. It's also no use for Elliot to tell Brun that Clinton was being a Jerk, because badmouthing someone's friend is not a nice thing to do. And Elliot is a kind person. And I'm pretty sure now isn't the time to discuss his feelings about Elliot and Brun to Brun. It's just complicated as he said. Also during all this he is still working so now is not the time because of that as well.

I have to say in general I think that Jeph does a great job with how his characters react to situations. Sometimes people do shitty stuff, sometimes you just don't want to deal with stuff. I've been there and yeah.
Clinton isn't a bad person, he just has bad moments. Nobody is perfect. Trust me if you insist on communicating your feelings all the time, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who find you insufferable.

In short. Communication is good, but has to be well timed and well considered. Don't constantly unload your feelings on everyone on the spot because you're just making everything about you. You're basically doing what Clinton did. A whole heck of a lot of feelings got communicated there and you all think he's an ass for it.

I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.

N.N. Marf:

--- Quote from: bright on 02 Nov 2020, 00:07 ---I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.

--- End quote ---
Presumed straight, maybe. Plenty a person simply never considered he might be attracted to a person of a certain gender.
And what's wrong with it being a choice? I can make myself attracted to someone---anyone---and I gladly did it more than once. You wanna say I shouldn't exercise that choice? My choice to make myself attracted to someone e.g. if I think there might be a benefit, e.g. strengthening what already is a close friendship, with a person who I learn is carnally interested in me.. Not exactly sure how, but if I put the intention to be attracted to someone, it happens.

Annemoon:
To be honest, I think there is a whole "more people are bi/more romantically flexible then we (or they!) even know" going on.
And the reason we don't see that is how culturally biased we are towards hetero normative roles. In a very gay/straight/bi/pan/etc accepting friend group with a numerous sample of both you actually often see more people coming out as, or finding out that they are gay/bi etc. Like, I had a few friends (male and female) that sort of admitted to themselves and others that they were bi while presumed straight before.
And even a guy who always thought he was gay and then got a crush on a lady...

Turns out that if you release the whole strict "you are either straight or gay" lines of accepted reasoning, more people turn out to fall outside those lines.
I can speak from experience in this regard, like, you just never consider the feelings towards your own gender, if you also have feelings for the other gender if that falls within society's norm.
It's only after you have your first question proposition from the same gender, or a super obvious crush on your own gender that you suddenly start re-evaluating earlier experiences.
Maybe straight kids don't realllllyyy hope for that goodnight 'kiss' from their same gender baby sitter... you know maybe that's a thing..

bright:

--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 02 Nov 2020, 00:40 ---
--- Quote from: bright on 02 Nov 2020, 00:07 ---I'd be quite happy if these two didn't end up together, they have nothing in common and it saves me from being annoyed at previously 'straight' characters being turned gay. Too much of a being gay is a choice vibe.

--- End quote ---
Presumed straight, maybe. Plenty a person simply never considered he might be attracted to a person of a certain gender.
And what's wrong with it being a choice? I can make myself attracted to someone---anyone---and I gladly did it more than once. You wanna say I shouldn't exercise that choice? My choice to make myself attracted to someone e.g. if I think there might be a benefit, e.g. strengthening what already is a close friendship, with a person who I learn is carnally interested in me.. Not exactly sure how, but if I put the intention to be attracted to someone, it happens.

--- End quote ---

Homosexuality being called a choice has basically been used as a reason to discriminate against LGBT. It's also the idea behind the very harmful gay conversion therapy. It took a lot of work of to get a general acceptance that homosexuality is not a choice.

Sexuality is complicated. You have 100% straight and 100% gay and everything in between. Most people fall somewhere on that scale.

I personally believe you can be 100% straight and physically enjoy sex with the opposite sex. It's just not your activity of choice. I do think however that you are quite aware of yourself how interested you are in the opposite sex, your own sex, no sex or other at all by your 20s. You might not accept this, but you are aware of it. Clinton by having to ask his sister did not seem aware of his possible same sex attraction. That seems weird to me. If he'd be bi, he would have likely already been attracted to a guy before and wouldn't need Claire to walk him through it. Of course this last part is just my opinion/experience with it.

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