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YouTube protest walkout Dec 10th-13th, 2020

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sitnspin:
If the choice is between watching YT with ads or not watching at all, I am not going to watch it at all, so nothing is really being lost. And honestly, I rarely do watch anything on YT. I don't even remember the last time I was on the site.

N.N. Marf:

--- Quote from: Theta9 on 11 Dec 2020, 16:01 ---
--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 11 Dec 2020, 14:50 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 10 Dec 2020, 21:41 ---Youtube is not a person.

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I'm sorry if you think that. I'd be interested to know who else you consider not a person.

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I would be interested to know why you consider YouTube to be a person.

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Generally, that they can transact---economically, that's a person. More concretely, they're an entity with a mind (management) and body (equipment), goals (profit), who can be harmed, feel and respond to---even false---pain,, They're animate.
We could look at a corporation as a machine, or a force of nature, but that disregards many characteristics that we tend to consider the preserve of persons---that is to say, at present, humans. It'd be difficult to imagine a machine wincing at some it's part crashing---a factory would.
They're sapient, more than the sum of their parts---in case you'd like to think that their person-like qualities are exclusively from participating humans---more: were it's sapient parts replaced to a different organization, there'd be a different synergy. It may be that without humans, a corporation would cease having sufficient person-like qualities---cease being a person, I'd say---would your personhood survive the removal of your microbiome?
There are, of course, distinctions between humans v persons generally. A corporation, for example, can be set up to adjust for mental biases much better and much faster than a human.
This tangent is getting much off-topic---perhaps there's a better thread for it somewhere.

Theta9:

--- Quote from: Gyrre on 12 Dec 2020, 03:00 ---Goddammit.

Apparently this walkout was from last year and either someone thought they'd have a laugh reblogging the post or they're protesting YT's new ToS that allows them to just delete people's accounts without warning.
I'm embarrassed I didn't clock the date in that first twitter screencap.

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https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,34785.msg1455602.html#msg1455602

LTK pointed that out upthread.

Gyrre:

--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 12 Dec 2020, 12:03 ---
--- Quote from: Theta9 on 11 Dec 2020, 16:01 ---
--- Quote from: N.N. Marf on 11 Dec 2020, 14:50 ---
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 10 Dec 2020, 21:41 ---Youtube is not a person.

--- End quote ---
I'm sorry if you think that. I'd be interested to know who else you consider not a person.

--- End quote ---
I would be interested to know why you consider YouTube to be a person.

--- End quote ---
Generally, that they can transact---economically, that's a person. More concretely, they're an entity with a mind (management) and body (equipment), goals (profit), who can be harmed, feel and respond to---even false---pain,, They're animate.
We could look at a corporation as a machine, or a force of nature, but that disregards many characteristics that we tend to consider the preserve of persons---that is to say, at present, humans. It'd be difficult to imagine a machine wincing at some it's part crashing---a factory would.
They're sapient, more than the sum of their parts---in case you'd like to think that their person-like qualities are exclusively from participating humans---more: were it's sapient parts replaced to a different organization, there'd be a different synergy. It may be that without humans, a corporation would cease having sufficient person-like qualities---cease being a person, I'd say---would your personhood survive the removal of your microbiome?
There are, of course, distinctions between humans v persons generally. A corporation, for example, can be set up to adjust for mental biases much better and much faster than a human.
This tangent is getting much off-topic---perhaps there's a better thread for it somewhere.

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Ah, the argument used to defang that campaign donation reform bill back in the late 2000s.

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