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WCDT 4431-4435 (4th-8th of January, 2021)
Oenone:
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--- Quote from: shanejayell on 04 Jan 2021, 19:40 ---"Imagine a infinite space, but you can't move, along with a immense perception of time passing."
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--- Quote from: Strong Bad ---Email is a like a prison. A prison with no walls. And no toilet.
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I'm actually a bit surprised by this backstory. I always assumed robots had a special jail because robots can be disembodied, and thus can be efficiently and cheaply incarcerated, and you don't really want to try and imprison some robot bodies, like Punchbot. You know, practical reasons, not the invention of a cabal of elder AI's.
May's glossing over one thing, which is that she stole money, and tried to obtain a combat chassis illegally, both of which are things society can't tolerate. Stealing also hurts other people.
That sort of thing has to be discouraged somehow. May doesn't seem to get that she did anything wrong, so just explaining things to her wasn't going to work. Punishment's the only thing that seems like it would deter her from trying to do it again. I think punishment sucks as a learning mechanism, but I'm not really sure what else you can do with sentients like May.
Once you're settled on punishment as your deterrent, then you can get into the details of what's acceptable and proportionate, and what's not.
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I think that May knows she did wrong. That’s seen in her insistence on her overall badness and undeserving-ness. I think she’s also got a healthy enough sense of self to know that her punishment and its ongoing impact on her life was disproportionate to her actual crimes. Plus, we don’t know why she couldn’t get a job or body that could fly before her jail sentence.
sitnspin:
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--- Quote from: awkwardness on 05 Jan 2021, 21:32 ---Those who whine about jails and "cruel and unusual punishment" I have found 95% of the time have A. been arrested for a crime that they were actually guilty of
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Yes. People who have actually been subjected to prison are the most likely to be vocal about finding it to be cruel. Stellar observation. Good job. Well done. A+.
--- Quote from: awkwardness on 05 Jan 2021, 21:32 ---B. were upset because they got caught
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Funny thing, I'd be upset, too, if I had years of my life taken by locking me in a cage of concrete and steel. I actually think the "getting caught" part isn't really the upsetting thing.
--- Quote from: awkwardness on 05 Jan 2021, 21:32 ---and C. did it willingly and knowingly with the penalties known ahead of time.
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Sure sure. Tell you what. The penalty for jaywalking is now to have your arms and legs cut off. You know that's the penalty now, so if you get caught jaywalking it isn't cruel or unusual to cut off your arms and legs. Because it's the law and the law is always just. Right? No? Is it possible for the law to be unjust? If it is, then your argument is spurious. If you think it isn't, then I have no idea what the hell is wrong with you.
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Thank you for always finding the words that, in my rage, escape me.
Gyrre:
--- Quote from: Gnabberwocky on 06 Jan 2021, 11:06 ---In a country where marijuana possession is perfectly legal in many places.
System is badly fucked, needs immediate and drastic reform.
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Prison industrial complex.
The 14th Amendment has a caveat; "except as punishment for a crime."
DaiJB:
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--- Quote from: Farideh on 06 Jan 2021, 16:05 ---My mental image of May as a jet fighter is one doing loop-de-loops while going 'WHEEEEEEE!'
Not very terrifying.
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Okay, now imagine if May-Jet-Fighter got pissed off with someone. Or got into an argument with someone on a forum or something.
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Also, if May only wanted to do loop-de-loops, why would she want a jet fighter? Aerobatic stunt planes are better for that - and a LOT cheaper.
A jet fighter is a large, absurdly expensive platform for a huge range of destructive and death-dealing weapons, armoured to absorb punishment and designed to dish out more of the same.
I suspect that May's antisocial impulses were well ingrained before she decided to embezzle hundreds of millions of dollars - who knows where it would have led if she had succeeded? Maybe getting caught (and incidentally encountering Dale during rehabilitation) was the best thing that could have happened, for May and the rest of the world...
BenRG:
FWIW, my view of May's pre-embezzlement thought processes goes something like this:
* Bored, bored, bored... Oh, look! A fighter jet on sale! Being a fighter jet would be cool!
* There's lots of money lying around here... They're all rich and won't miss a few tens of millions here and there!
* Why are all the security subsystems screaming at me?As for 'what would she have done', I doubt that she ever went that far. 'Looks cool' is as far as her ideas had gone. As for the ammo, she would have used it all blowing up derelict buildings and scrap-yards whilst yelling out lines from cheap action-adventure movies as loud as she could. She would also use up all her fuel at the same time. It would have been the single easiest collar in AI criminal history.
As matters stand, her defence likely literally was: "I wasn't hurting people!" and "Guys! Fighter jet body! How cooler could it have been?!?" Her lack of any kind of social awareness and the completely inward-looking structure of her world-view is why the god-tiers assessed her as having uncontrolled sociopathic impulses.
All this aside, am I the only person who thinks that the model code for May's new chassis is 'XJ-10'?
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