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KharBevNor:
Aaah...Crossover. Good stuff. Speak English or Die/Live at Budokan was definitely one of the best 'chances' I ever took with buying a CD.

The problem is that Metalcore never gets anywhere near punk. Metalcore feeds from modern hardcore and even emo, not to mention that it's metal influences are normally comprised of the most populist elements of MDM (mainly the melodic rifts and leads, normally snaffled from MDM's newer generation, rather than the good old stuff (Gallery era Dark Tranquillity or pre-Infernal Edge of Sanity)...when i first heard Shadows Fall I said something along the lines of "Ooh, In Flames have replaced Anders Frieden with the guy from Posion the Well!")

Verek:
What's the deal with Anders Frieden anyway? He's a Swedish dude with dreadlocks. Who does he think he is? What does he think he is?


And for the record, although his tone fit earlier In Flames very well, Bjorn Strid is just the better vocalist overall.

KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: Verek ---And for the record, although his tone fit earlier In Flames very well, Bjorn Strid is just the better vocalist overall.
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Agreed, although Frieden presided over a good deal of my favourite IF songs and is a great frontman live.

I think Friedens best stint ever though was probably in Dark Tranquillity, chiefly because they did not let him write the lyrics.

Friedens grasp of poetic english was, at least in the past, at best tenuous. This is why the majority of mid-period In Flames songs make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Verek:
Well, back in the day, Strid and Frieden both had a tenuous grasp on the English language. Just listen to Steelbath Suicide and The Chainheart Machine.

But the difference is that back then, they didn't NEED it. You listened to the lyrics for how they sounded, not for content, but most of all you listened to the GUITARS. And it was good. And it should have remained that way. But it didn't.

Now what albums was Frieden on for DT? I knew he was with them for awhile, but I didn't think they actually recorded anything with him, considering that Mikael Stanne rocks boxers, socks, and other sorts of things.


And also, In Flames had a different vocalist BEFORE Frieden? This is news to me.

KharBevNor:
In Flames had three vocalists before Frieden. Jocke Göthberg on the first demo, Mikael Stanne on Lunar Strain and Henke Forsse on Subterranean. Anders Frieden was DT's vocalist all the way up to Skydancer. (he was the original vocalist when they were called Septic Broiler. Septic Broiler > DT is, incidentally, one of the best name changes in metal history. An exact inversion of Treblinka changing their name to Tiamat)

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