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The Sandman
Primate:
Oddly enough, that cameo of the unsettling Death takes place during a story that includes the first Despair. It may be that having to gather one of her siblings contributed to her change in attitude.
And it's fairly well established the first ten volumes that the first Despair was the only one of the Endless to have died at that point. That was one of the reasons Destruction gave for walking away from his realm instead of just killing himself.
La Creme:
Must revive for love of Sandman!
--- Quote ---If you like the Lucifer story line, you should check out Mike Carey's Lucifer. It's a sandman spin off, and it's fucking brillaint
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Keiffer, you are the best person ever for introducing me to the sandman / lucifer / etc. I just finished "Mansions Of Silence" and it was fucking amazing. Still the best thing ever is Christopher Rudd. I'm assuming that by the point the comic is up to now, him (and Duma?) control hell. Duma is one helluva angel.
Best Sandman for me: "World's End", especially the story "Hobb's Leviathin". Excellence.
lastclearchance:
--- Quote from: Latro ---The whole Sandman series sort of ruins *ALL* the other comics you read there after. The series certainly raised the bar as to what to expect from a comic and what was possible.
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Well I love Neil Gaiman as much as the rest of them, but this is really something you should be saying about Alan Moore. I mean, his Swamp Thing storyline for DC essentially created the entire Vertigo Universe. He created and/or resurrected many of the big names. John Constantine is a good example. My favorite example though is Cain and Abel. Popularized by Gaiman in the Sandman comics, Cain and Abel first appeared as Cryptkeeper-esque characters introducing horror stories of old-school horror comics. Alan Moore brought them back for Swamp Thing.
Of course, it was kinda like Moore created the Vertigo world and then handed over the controls to Gaiman, who made it what it is.
I just turn all Eric Burns-talking-about-Narbonic when I read Alan Moore's work, because more than any other comic writer he is so hyperaware of his roots in the comic world.
Primate:
Which would be a far more impressive counterargument if over half the Vertigo titles took place in the shared DC universe alongside Swamp Thing and Sandman. Most of the titles have been stand alone series where the Justice League doesn't drop in for cameos (Preacher, 100 Bullets, etc.). Moore's run on Swamp Thing clearly influenced Gaiman's Sandman (as well as just keeping him connected with comics back in the day). However the Vertigo imprint started in the middle of Sandman's run (1992) and Moore started his Swamp Thing run back in 1984. I'm pretty sure he was off on other things by the time Vertigo was launched. I do know that Sandman was considered the flagship title for Vertigo from the start of the imprint to the end of Sandman's run, while Swamp Thing seems to have been grandfathered into the imprint due to its connections with Sandman. On top of that, the half dozen or so Vertigo titles that take place in the shared DC universe are either direct spinoffs of Sandman (The Dreaming, Lucifer, Sandman Presents) or Neil prompted titles (The Books of Magic, The Books of Fearie), which suggests that Sandman's influence on the field was stronger than Swamp Thing's, despite the latters influence on the former.
There, caused my trouble for the day. Enjoy.
lastclearchance:
--- Quote from: Primate ---Sandman's influence on the field was stronger than Swamp Thing's, despite the latters influence on the former.
There, caused my trouble for the day. Enjoy.
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Oh, I totally agree with that. I think that Moore created the Vertigo world, but Neil Gaiman made it. Know what I mean?
Besides, Vertigo is way more interesting as Gaiman's world. It's just that I recently read the Swamp Thing line and I was blown away.
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