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Matteh99:
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Using FOSS software, nothing. Using, ahem, otherwise acquired software, also nothing. Besides, the packages that people generally compare, like Photoshop, are very much not free. Besides, not all people like the iLife applications. Me, I'd be more likely to chop off a leg then I would be to use iTunes. The rest of the software provided by iLife is generally shipped with new PC hardware. Not pro stuff, but easy and functional.
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In my experience the software shipped with new pc sucks a lot. Dell music match? Twice as slow as iTunes or you can uncripple it for 20 bucks. Free MSN and AOL trials. Preview editions of this and that. The mac does do the same thing but to a lesser degree. When I launch an internet browser for the first time the mac doesn't take me to a page that wants me to subscribe to Apple Internet like windows machines have a habit of doing with MSN internet. There are some things that do piss me off about mac. Quicktime should be able to play full screen without paying 30 bucks. But then as you have said for the windows side Open source stuff fixes a lot of things. No right click sucks.. but I use a track ball that won't ship with a new PC either.. The no eject button sucks. I like the key but I also want a button.
Also with the benchmarks I did I didn't plan on weighting it either way. I test the systems I HAD no the ones I wanted. I would love to get a dual operand and a g5 and benchmark the two. Or what ever else you mentioned. However I don't have the resources to do so.
I am also not a mac Only person. I ran windows for several years and I know my way around, I used linux for several years to. For me the mac is better than both. I didn't mind linux but some things are a pain to do in it. Video editing was tough. Kino isn't as user friendly as iMovie and Mactor was slow, and there is one other that I forget that i also tried.. Getting my iPod to work was a pain. I used gtkpod or some such thing which worked but was buggy. My laptop hates me when it comes to video card drivers... Modems are pain in the ass. I have only gotten one to work reliably and it was an old ISA thing. It probably worked because it was a real modem not a winmodem.
I guess what really started getting me pissed off at windows was being able to get a virus just by connecting to the internet. That was really uncool. I am smart enough not to get a virus from and email or from a file sharing program. Yes it is patched now but still really really uncool. I got welcha in the short amount of time I was online trying to get the patch to stop me from it. If os X ever get so it can be )#@)($ up that easily I will find some other os to use. Maybe by that time longhorn with be out and it will be really cool... I doubt it but it could happen.. Maybe I will live some place where I can get high speed internet so I won't have to worry about using modem in linux..
My comment about linux having bad software support was misdirected and misunderstood. I more meant it towards another person who said that there aren't as much software for the mac. I basically meant there is more software for mac than there is for Linux. Yes open source software and forums offer way better support than the guy in india you talk to when you call dell.
Eric
Druid:
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--- Quote from: nihilist ---That's not a problem with the OS itself. That's just a problem. Yes, that crap targets Windows-based PCs more, but it's like the whole gaming argument: it deals with market share
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It's not all security through obscurity. OS X handles things in a more sane way than Windows. There's no registry to speak of, if I'm installing an app that's going to affect the system I have to type in my admin password, even if I'm logged in as an admin of the machine. It's all that *nixy goodness.
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Take Firefox for example. It has garnered a significant market share, and now people are looking for way around it's security features. Security through obscurity goes both ways whether it's closed source or small market share.
Root is disabled on OS X machines, so you're never in a true root account. Windows can be setup to do the samething. Most people don't like the hassle of typing in a password when ever spyware wants to install. *ix isn't saner then Windows; it's just simpler. One approach isn't necessarily better then the other just different approaches.
I'd rather run FreeBSD on PPC hardware, so I can get a True unix. In fact I'm thinking about getting a used powerbook just so I can run FreeBSD on a PPC platform.
CamelFilters:
c'mon people. you are arguing about preinstalled software? either you are all pro's who actually publish stuff and can have an inspector come along to check you HD or you can always get it very easily. of course i'm talking about freeware :P
i wish there was a "kernel" version of windows that you could use as a foundation for all the other stuff you need to use. the "other stuff" would start by the gui and all the other software you would eventually use.
on another subject: the osx gui is a load of bull, someone complained about the fisher-price interface on xp but i have to complain about the stainless-steel interface on osx. i like simple interfaces, as soon as i format my machine (wich i am eager to do) i'm installing lite-shell cause cute is not an adequate adjective for a computer.
mosfet:
FreeDOS... now that was cool. :)
McTaggart:
--- Quote from: CamelFilters ---on another subject: the osx gui is a load of bull, someone complained about the fisher-price interface on xp but i have to complain about the stainless-steel interface on osx. i like simple interfaces, as soon as i format my machine (wich i am eager to do) i'm installing lite-shell cause cute is not an adequate adjective for a computer.
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...another completely subjective arguement. I hated the way xp looked and felt so I changed it. Now it looks more professional and minimal. I haven't had sufficient chance to poke around with OSX but I refuse to believe you can't change the way it looks and feels. Either through the built in tool or through third-party software there is a way to do it.
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