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indie goth
Damniel:
right...thats oh so much clearer for me...anywho flaming lips kick ass...but so do joy division...ooh i am so torn
sketchyjoe:
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They are.
Damniel:
yeah...likling morrisey and joy division over the pond (as it were) is definately indie...as are the flaming lips and mercury rev...but over there joy division seems gothy...it confuses me as if anything joy division...and then new order are more mainstream but also the godfathers of house...if you need proof listen to blue monday by new order
KharBevNor:
Definitely my favourite goth group is Inkubus Sukkubus. I don't think you'll ever get much better than the song 'Vampire Punk Rockers From Hell'. Overblown vampire imagery and Sex Pistols references for teh win!
As for Joy Division and all that lot, they're more post-punk than goth...everything in that area tends to blur somewhat in the early eighties, but there's normally a consenus on most bands, though I've seen Bauhaus called post-punk often enough.
El Opium:
I did end up writing what was looking like a small essay but heres the way I look at it.
-During the 80s stuff that might today be seen as indie or goth all fell under the alternative tag.
-Indie didn't become defined as a genre till the early 90s. 'Indie' bands were those who refused to buy into the alternative boom by signing to a major and trying to make accessible music. Pavement are the best known example.
-Around the same time goth ran out of steam and was further sunk by the rise of Marilyn Manson who people labled goth out of ignorance.
-It became very hard for any vaguely indie band to use dark electronic textures and not lose their cred.
I strongly suggest reading up on the output of the 4AD lable prior to 1990. Some bands I like who somewhat straddle the line between indie and goth:
The Comsat Angels
The Wolfgang Press (1988 and earlier)
The Chameleons
Khar had some pretty good sugestions for more purist goth.
Edit:
1) Cranes are pretty good.
2) The Jesus and Mary Chain were definately indie but they get called goth tinged a lot. Read the lyrics to their psycho-candy album.
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