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Scott Kurtz
Gdog4evr:
I havn't read anything on pvp about CAD, although the article you posted hardly shines CAD in a positive light. For instance, this in particular:
--- Quote from: CAD ---You want your webcomics history? Fine. "In 2002 a guy who really admired PvP and its creator started his own webcomic, Ctrl+Alt+Del, which became incredibly popular in a short amount of time, making it one of the most quickly-rising webcomics in the field. Only then, he gets publicly attacked by a creator he once respected, but that's ok because Ctrl+Alt+Del goes on to become a world-recognized franchise with video games and a cartoon series based off of the characters that have entertained thousands, while the creator of PvP continues to write whiny, bitter rants about how people aren't kissing his feet like he dreams about."
There. There's your past, present AND future.
--- End quote ---
Now, this may have been fully deserved, but I can't tell, because he never mentions what Kurts actually said. He paraphrases it with "How dare they mention CAD in the same paragraph as my holier-than-thou comic!", but it could have been easily been blown out of proportion or taken out of context.
EDIT: Quick question: If you don't read cntrl-alt-del, why did you post a link to an article on that site rather than Kurts'?
kmh:
Because i thought that every one knows that Kurtz rant about article from Chicago Tribune or something. And after i read this on pvp i was just curious about reaction of CAD author.
And know i cant quote Kurtz because he edited his article on pvp. argh.
Sideways:
Kurtz's original article, which he did edit (and even deleted portions of) stated that he was upset that a "...Comic like Ctrlaltdel-online, which is really just a penny-arcade ripoff, gets the press..."
So I don't think it was unfair for whatshisface from CAD to reply so caustically.
Perhaps, were it me, I would've refrained from the juvenile "YOU'RE GOING TO FAIL, OLD MAN" line of ranting... actually, scratch the 'perhaps', I definately wouldn't have done it.
But, we're talking about a 24 year-old (CAD) and a guy in his mid-late thirties... so there's a pretty big difference here.
The young guy is replying, angrily, to the trolling/flamewar of the older, supposedly more experienced/professional/mature guy?
So yeah, whatshisface from CAD didn't exactly conduct himself in a mature fashion... but that doesn't take away from the fact that Kurtz is a jackass.
twentyfour:
Actually Sideways, I don't think Tim(Ctrl Alt Del dude) ever said Kurtz was gonna fail. In fact he just said Kurtz was going to write whiny little essays belittling his peers(something to that effect anyway).
You call it a caustic and juvenile response....well I can understand why. But I think he said what he should of how he should have. He made Kurtz mad and take on his "ho ho ho, I'm bigger and smarter than you so I won't use naughty language and will post short sarcastic comments in response". From what I've seen of Kurtz's angry open letters he loves to come out swingin' then when he gets back what he gave out he takes a high road and acts like someone else started it all.
Kurtz posted a response to a particularly mad CAD reader who was VERY "EFF YOU! You OLD MAN! you SUCK!!! YOU SUCK BALLS!!!" etc etc. Kurtz presented him as if he was the 'average' reader. Kurtz's rant even went so far as to say Tim copied Penny Arcade right down to the annoying little hyphen in the address. That's a bloody cheap shot! www.ctrlaltdelonline.com is a crappy address, that lil hyphen is needed!
Kurtz edited his rant several times to save face, then deleted it and every little angry post he had on the topic as well. Tim still has his online(betcha it's gettin a helluva lotta hits too!) he said he moved on but isn't acting like it never happened. In fact he's shutdown threads telling people it's over and to just enjoy the comics and talk about gaming.
I say Kurtz was acting like a bratty rich-kid, and he covered his tracks well by deleting his posts. He's a smart whiny lil kid with no balls.
Gdog4evr:
This all probably explained why Kurts posted on the joys of "deposting" the day after CADs responce. One thing though:
--- Quote from: CAD Article ---Don't you dare accuse me of ripping off Penny Arcade, a comic I didn't even know existed when I decided to start a webcomic based off of the lives of my best friend and I.
--- End quote ---
Understandable rage, he feels he's been slandered. However, take a look at the archives of his site: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2002-10-23
For conveience:
--- Quote from: First line of the first CAD comic ---So it's a comic about two guys who sit around and play video games? Seems a tad cliche, doesn't it?
--- End quote ---
So Tim was aware that what he was doing was fairly common ground among web comics, but didn't know about the one that really started the particular genre. If he says it's true I guess we have to take his word on it, but I have trouble accepting it in much the same way that a group of guys who get togeather to make an FPS had never heard of DOOM.
Either way, the whole situation reminds me of two liittle kids getting into a fight, and then afterwords Kurts (the kid who started it) pretending to not know anything.
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