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blindsuperhero:
Well if we're discussing Radiohead (which we weren't but now are) then it's okay to say what your opinion is. It's just that every thread which so much as mentions them in passing just gets derailed into "Radiohead aren't very good" "yes they are" "no they're not"...

SeanBateman:
Oh. If it's okay, well, I don't like them so much as I tolerate them. I've never reached for one of their cd's, but I guess I respect them for what they do.

Sooo.... classic albums?
I'd say Blue Album is a classic, but probably not any modest mouse albums. They haven't stood the test of time yet.

JLM:

--- Quote from: SeanBateman --- They haven't stood the test of time yet.
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That pretty much sums it up.  I don't think we can really know what's a classic until we hear the influence years from now.

Also, how are we defining classic?  Is classic meant to be synonymous with "groundbreaking" or is it meant more in the sense of Universal Appeal? If it's the former, I don't think you necessarily have to "like" something in order to recognize it as classic.  Example: I didn't really like Slint's Spiderland when I heard it, but I could recognize the importance and see the influence it eventually had.  

If it's the latter, and we were talking about Radiohead, despite the critical success of OK Computer, I thin that their most classic album by this definition is probably The Bends.  Even though I personally find it dated, A lot of people have told me just as much when I ask them about their favorite Radiohead album, and one friend actually went as far as to say "If all they ever did was keep making records like The Bends I would be perfectly happy."

Merkava:
So, Lonesome Crowded West, an album made at the exact same time as OK Computer, has not stood the "test of time" but Ok Computer HAS?

Yeah. Whatever. Lonesome is an album that shows the pinnacle of minimalist Indie Rock and has been out for 9 years. Band like The Shins, Mock Orange, and all that have either thanked Modest Mouse or have done that and use their sound for some influence. It was MM's big message, before getting replaced by the equally brilliant Moon and Antarctica.

And for the record, Moon and Antarctica was pretty damn groundbreaking and total comtemporary classic bait. :P

I guess I can't call Emergency & I a classic as well?

I would probably fall under the camp that says groundbreaking or different, so that's what I would put behind my thinking of my classic choices. I do also believe some time is needed as well, which is why you won't see me proclaiming "Mind is Not Brain" and "Funeral" classics anytime soon.

I'd say around a decade is a good place to start.

Oh yeah, and to JLM, the topic asks how YOU would define a classic album.

JLM:

--- Quote from: Merkava ---So, Lonesome Crowded West, an album made at the exact same time as OK Computer, has not stood the "test of time" but Ok Computer HAS?

Yeah. Whatever. Lonesome is an album that shows the pinnacle of minimalist Indie Rock and has been out for 9 years. Band like The Shins, Mock Orange, and all that have either thanked Modest Mouse or have done that and use their sound for some influence. It was MM's big message, before getting replaced by the equally brilliant Moon and Antarctica.

And for the record, Moon and Antarctica was pretty damn groundbreaking and total comtemporary classic bait. :P

I guess I can't call Emergency & I a classic as well?

I would probably fall under the camp that says groundbreaking or different, so that's what I would put behind my thinking of my classic choices. I do also believe some time is needed as well, which is why you won't see me proclaiming "Mind is Not Brain" and "Funeral" classics anytime soon.

I'd say around a decade is a good place to start.

Oh yeah, and to JLM, the topic asks how YOU would define a classic album.
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No, YOU ask how I would define a classic.  The topic asks, more generally, "What Makes A Classic?" which I took as a rhetorical question open for discussion.

But since we're going that route, I think a classic is defined by influence, appeal, and time, in that order.  More later...work now.

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