Topic: Live 8 (Read 14161 times)

eepedeep · « **on:** 02 Jul 2005, 11:48 »

Leave your reviews, comments, etc. from seeing the concert, watching it on tv, or listening to on the radio.

I've been chillaxin' with my Internet Radio listening to London and Philly...I coulda gone to Philly with my rowing friends but my rents wouldn't let me go cause we had guests coming over...poo. I prefer the London line-up anyway...I mean, they have Coldplay AND Scissor Sisters!

bucky_2300 · « **Reply #1 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 12:07 »

The Who
Pink Floyd

You cannot argue with that.

AnonymousPosterChild · « **Reply #2 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 12:08 »

I'm choosing to ignore the whole thing for political reasons. That, and the fact that the only person playing at the concert nearby that I like is Sam Roberts.

negative creep · « **Reply #3 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 12:12 »

i cannot watch it. i hate you all.

Tinjessla · « **Reply #4 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 12:28 »

I've been watching bits and bobs of it most of the day with my family. Im really just waiting for Pink Floyd to perform.

bucky_2300 · « **Reply #5 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 13:24 »

Apparently not. Sting is playing right now, and the Who and Floyd play in the next hour. Indie kids too scene to watch - suck it.

:p

Schmung · « **Reply #6 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 15:44 »

FLoyd!? Eh, how can they play!? As mentioned, I think at least two of them are out of commission. Anyways, they're not high as kites anymore, it doesn't count. It's like Queen reforming. I mean, WTF, you cannot ahve Queen without Freddy, it;s wrong, bad and pointless.

bucky_2300 · « **Reply #7 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 16:05 »

Lol, this thread is tiny. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216381

That is a Live 8 thread. Half the pages are from people posting play-by-plays of what's going on. I was able to be the first to post when the Who came on - they rocked.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #8 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 16:09 »

Floyd didn't have that much energy I thought. Still, a highlight. The Who were definitely the best act there, and that's only because Pete is still kicking out the jams. My dad was cheering everytime he did a windmill.

Pretty much everyone was either crap, mediocre or old, however.

fin · « **Reply #9 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 16:43 »

wish you were here was phonomenal ...but

a)for a political event, i watched several hours and pretty much the only political statement seemed to be 'floyd playing money.

b)it has overshaddowed the 200,000 peep protest in edinburgh today, and the whole fringe of protests continuing over the next week.

faithless were good, dido doing 7 secinds was good ooh kayne west is on now.

FruitKat · « **Reply #10 on:** 02 Jul 2005, 20:59 »

I didn't get to watch any of it...
And I don't actually know what the point of it was. What cause was it supporting and why would someone not watch it?...

Drewbacca · « **Reply #11 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 04:58 »

I caught a clip on the news tonight where they were interviewing the frontman from a-Ha. Wow .. that was some scary aging. Took a good few seconds to recognize him

Titan · « **Reply #12 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 06:17 »

The politics of the whole thing is bullshit. Some ass-hole wrote to a talk show saying that anyone who didn't watch the damn thing has "no soul" (or something to that effect).

I didn't watch it, purely out of principle. It's just something for westerners to feel better about themselves, and in fact, any money raised will probably make the whole situation worse - most experts would agree with me here.

In short, I was insulted by the whole concept and refused to watch it.

-sam · « **Reply #13 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 06:45 »

Which is, of course, why it wasn't a fund-raising event. It was an attempt to lean on the people who control the means to effect real change in Africa and get them to change their collective policies towards the continent, ie grants instead of loans and revised trade policy. How effective the Live 8 concerts will be is a matter for historians to decide. In any event the organizers and performers deserve some kudos for staging this thing and bringing the continuingly pitable state of Africa to the forefront of the public consciousness.

-sam

KharBevNor · « **Reply #14 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 06:46 »

Except that the whole thing is designed not to collect money but to put pressure on the G8 leaders through signatures and so forth...wasn't their slogan even "We don't want your money, we want your voice"?

What I love is, everytime someone thinks up some sort of charitable endeavour that would maybe make some peoples lives just that bit better, there's some cynical little cunt (no offence) who comes over acting all high and mighty because they have all the political sass and knowledge.

This might very well be one of the reasons why we, as a species, are totally fucking doomed.

normz · « **Reply #15 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 06:57 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

..... we, as a species, are totally fucking doomed.

the cynic in me wanted to make it bold, underlined and italic'd for truth .... man i have no faith in humanity (perhaps the best reason why im becoming a soul sucking lawyer) and yeah the idea of Live 8 is noble but i doubt it will really change that much (/cynical rantings)

Titan · « **Reply #16 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 07:39 »

I think the slogan was something like "We want justice, not money".

Anyway, I was actually aware money wasn't being raised in this particular event (and was being paid for with that mobile phone thing) - bad word choice I guess.

My point is more that by "raising awareness", more will donate, like with the tsunami (not that I had a problem with the donations in that instance, despite the fact that months on the money has been almost untouched).

Finally, Gordon Brown and others have already stated that justice in the trade system is what the government (British) was going for in the first place. People like Bush (but don't hold me to it

) won't budge though. The politicians are set in their ways and like Iraq, these protests won't do shit. If you think about it, the protests are actually going to be overshadowed by the damn concert!

Oh, and no offense taken, Khar. I know I'm a cynical ass-hole

KharBevNor · « **Reply #17 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 07:48 »

Whatever, it got Floyd back together!

:p

ASturge · « **Reply #18 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 10:12 »

People doing their best to do what they know is right.

What the fuck is wrong with that?

Oerdin · « **Reply #19 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 11:59 »

Quote from: negative creep

i cannot watch it. i hate you all.

Yeah, the closest one to me was Phily and that is an entire continent away from California. How could the organizers ignore the richest and most populous state in the US?

Kill.kenada · « **Reply #20 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 12:02 »

amen!

There was actually some rioting during the G8 marches
I mean fair enough if you disagree, but to actually try to prevent people from voicing their opinion...
just plain idiotic if you ask me

Kill.kenada · « **Reply #21 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 12:03 »

that "amen" was to Asturge there
lol

Oerdin · « **Reply #22 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 12:09 »

Quote from: Titan

The politics of the whole thing is bullshit. Some ass-hole wrote to a talk show saying that anyone who didn't watch the damn thing has "no soul" (or something to that effect).

I didn't watch it, purely out of principle. It's just something for westerners to feel better about themselves, and in fact, any money raised will probably make the whole situation worse - most experts would agree with me here.

In short, I was insulted by the whole concept and refused to watch it.

I do have to agree that the biggest problems facing Africa have nothing to do with cash handouts. The biggest problems are corruption & protectionism/subsidies by rich countries. Corruption is something which seems indemic to Africa though responsible officials could solve this problem without any help from the outside world if they wanted to. Farm subsidies and protectionism by the rich countries is something which the Africans cannot control but which causes massive economic losses for Africans. Africa has little industry so all they have to export, and they must export since they need money, so all they have to sell is agricultural goods or raw materials. The rich countries exept the raw materials but block everything else. Japan, Europe, & the US subsidize their farmers to such an extent that African farmers end up selling their crops for less then it cost them to plant so they lose their land and end up poverty stricken.

If the rich countries would stop subsidizing farmers and compete fairly then we'd half world poverity over night.

Titan · « **Reply #23 on:** 03 Jul 2005, 13:56 »

Something interesting I heard today was that if you were to totally close off Africa from the rest of the world, then within 10 years it would not only be out of poverty, but the richest continent in the world!

Of course, this is probably exaggerated and neglects to mention the millions of deaths that would take place over this time period, but it's an interesting statement, is it not?

This brings us back to the point I mentioned briefly before - the corruption. Africa has all that "raw" wealth and it is being exploited, as we should all know.

From a political sense, however, you can see why things are conducted in this way.

If you give Africa too much freedom it becomes too powerful and potentially threatens the world in a much greater way than things stand currently.
If you give them too little we have the situation we have now, where millions are dying unneccessarily.

I imagine the way things would ideally be, is the freedom would be gradual enough that when Africa was able to compete with the rest of the world, it was under a comfortable regime that understood things in western terms.

Oerdin · « **Reply #24 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 19:11 »

Africa has more then enough self made problems where the rest of the world won't have to lose any sleep about Africa taking over the world.

Lack of infastructure, lack of basic education for young people, Kleptocratic dictators who pillage everything of value, and laws which make no economic sense (I'm thinking the Socialist experiments of the 1970's through 1990's here) all give Africa a one two punch. I generally dispise George Bush and find his policies to be wrong headed but Bush's new appraoch to African aid is actually one place Bush has got something right. Give more aid but give it to fewer countries so the aid does more good. Also make African countries compete for the aid by seeing who will do the most to end corruption and improving goverment. That's something which will improve Africa over the long run instead of the old Cold War method of just sending big checks whcih were stolen by the corrupt dictators.

Live 8 won't help advance any of this nor will it help end the ruinous farm subsidies of the first world but at least it does get people talking about Africa & thinking about ways to help Africa.

Menzallol · « **Reply #25 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 19:26 »

I really wish I had the Japanese skills to explain to my teacher that all of this fund raising and external help is not advancing the situation at all. My "major" at Japanese high school is International Communication, so basically all we do is visit websites like Live 8, and watch videos about how terrible the economic and social conditions are in Africa. I completely understand the point that Live 8 is people doing what they think is right. What I don't support is our teacher yelling at us every day when we don't listen, droning on and on about or responsibility to the world, and how we should be doing research on donating funds to these causes. He's a moron, and if he thinks any of us or the paltry organizations he promotes are going to help the situation in Africa, he's wrong.
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KharBevNor · « **Reply #26 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 19:28 »

But the thing is, surely if his 'paltry organisations' do what...dig one well, save one child, give tools to one farmer...

...isn't that better than him just sitting on his ass?

Menzallol · « **Reply #27 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 19:31 »

I'm sure he's making himself feel better about it all, but with his preaching to us about ending the whole situation, he should probably be a little more interested in telling us that pouring foreign aid into the countries won't work. Other than the afformentioned well digging, etc. . But hey, if it lets him sleep at night...

Condition Oakland · « **Reply #28 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 19:36 »

I thought I would check it out, so I turned on the TV and saw Kanye West.

That pretty much ruined my interest in the whole thing.

Rune · « **Reply #29 on:** 04 Jul 2005, 20:47 »

Kanye West sucked. I was at the Philly show, close enough to see the stage if I really tried (but it was easier to look at the screen on the right). Bon Jovi was good, and Kaiser Chiefs were good, but I wasn't particularly thrilled with the rest.

I did however see someone pass by the right fountain where I was in a QC shirt! Music + Science = Sexy. I wanted to go say hello but I didn't have the opportunity. It was later in the set, maybe a little before or after Sarah McLaughlin was on. So whoever that was, hi!

zekterellium · « **Reply #30 on:** 05 Jul 2005, 07:14 »

i enjoyed it. why everyone is being so cynical about it, i don't know. everyone i talked to was down on it. fuck them all. nobody lets anyone be nice anymore, they want it to always be selfish or whatever. way to ruin the fucking world, you pessemist dicks.

Oerdin · « **Reply #31 on:** 05 Jul 2005, 12:08 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

But the thing is, surely if his 'paltry organisations' do what...dig one well, save one child, give tools to one farmer...

...isn't that better than him just sitting on his ass?

Sure, but these is a issue about scale. In order to solve problems of this magnitude what is needed is systemic change with in Africa. Good governance, the rule of law, and economic policies designed to attraqct foreign investment would go a long way to solving most of the largest problems. Instead aid money and the citizen's tax money is stolen by dictators or spent on military equipment which is used to keep said dictator in power instead of things like education, infastructure development, and social programs.

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eepedeep

AnonymousPosterChild

Tinjessla

Schmung

fin

Drewbacca

Titan

-sam

normz

Titan

ASturge

Titan

Menzallol

Menzallol

Condition Oakland

Rune

zekterellium