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Objectivity in Music
sp2:
Kant's categorical imperitive states that you must not allow in your actions what, if everyone were to follow the same maxim, would lead to the dissolution of society. If every band were long-winded and, as you say, boring, society would crumble in a mass of musical masturbation. If every band were fast-paced without any experimentation, the only bands in existence would be punk. Without anything to fight against, punk would crumble, as punk as an institution has always existed as a response to arena rock, pop, and other over-produced music. Thus, the world would exist without music, and robbed of such auditory stimulation, we would be plunged into a depression whihc could lead only to suicide. Thus, we must be led to believe that Kant is the part of the female anatomy that his name most resembles.
zekterellium:
was kant the guy, that if you thought you were doing the right thing, even if you were feeding sailors to werewolves, then it was the right thing?
Garcin:
--- Quote from: sp2 ---Aristotle would argue that such pleasures are base and do not better yourself. Thus, one's morality should work to further thiings which bring more lasting pleasure to yourself and others, such as education, increasing one's honor, and listening to intricate, esoteric, and ultimately more fulfilling music such as The Mars Volta.
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Well Aristotle wrote that the highest end of man was to pursue a type of happiness he called eudaimonia which was an exalted happiness similar but not identical to spiritual fulfillment. If dancing with pretty women expedited spiritual fulfillment, and music induced pretty women to dance with you, then arguably the pretty-woman-music would be an acceptable means by which to pursue eudaimonia. For this The Mars Volta would be less than ideal. I've had good results with Los Fabulosos Cadillacs personally, but results may vary.
Your reference to Nietzsche was curious. Nietzsche actually gave a very famous music "review" of Wagner in "The Case of Wagner". He was fond of the modernity, but thought that it was ultimately sick and decadent. Of course, this was days before old Freddie snapped like a twig and got put in the nuthouse for the rest of his miserable days, so Nietzsche's views on music should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt.
Zekterellium -- this isn't intellectual bickering, it's a friendly discussion. Bickering is bitchier.
Let's see which philosopher sp2 goes for next. I'm guessing Rawls (Music should be chosen behind a veil of ignorance . . . .).
--Moiche
sp2:
I'm pretty sure that Kant would say that, if everyone were to feed sailors to werewolves, there would no longer be sailors, and our shipping routes would cease to function and society would crumble, and thus we would be violating the categorical imperitive. Thus, feeding sailors to werewolves is probably not a moral thing to do. However, if you decided that not killing someone was probably the right thing to do (as murder volates the categorical imperitive) and then the person you didn't kill goes off and feeds a bunch of orphans to voracious ninja dolphins, you still did the right thing. This is in conflict with the view of utilitarianism and J.S. Mill, which states that the intent does not determine morality, only the sum total good that the action brings. Thus, if you follow utilitarianism, Vanilla Ice did great things for music, because the entire alt-rock and indie rock movements were both at least in part a response to shitty 80s rock.
However, Nietzsche would be all for you feeling sailors to werewolves, so long as A) it doesn't violate your virtue, B) it increases your personal power, and C) brings you closer to becoming an ubermensch.
sp2:
--- Quote from: Moiche ---Zekterellium -- this isn't intellectual bickering, it's a friendly discussion. Bickering is bitchier.
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And involves a hell of a lot less laughing. At the moment, I'm hoping I don't hemorrhage my liver or something.
--- Quote ---Let's see which philosopher sp2 goes for next. I'm guessing Rawls (Music should be chosen behind a veil of ignorance . . . .).
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I have an even better one, based on the title of this thread. I just have to think up some bullshit.
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