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Real emo
My Aim Is True:
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there are some lines that are fuzzy (like the line between emo and post-hardcore), I generally don't quibble about those classifications, my main complaint was that someone asked what emo was, and everyone said "pop punk bands that whine about girls."
My Aim Is True:
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But seriously. The reason I have a strong dislike for the general emo scene - yes, even the "true good emo" bands - is that at least 95% of them came from rich white families from the suburbs, and got guitar lessons paid for by their parents, and yet at the same time they're complaining about life.
Yes, everyone has some aspect of life that's shit, but I feel like maybe they should step back, and look at other people's lives. Like say, Kuwait, with that whole genocide thing? Or maybe even those famous starving children in Africa (Stereotypical as it is, it still is a problem, and very few people seem intereseted in doing anything about it). And they're complaining about their life?
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maybe you didn't notice, but a lot of the bands I listed are very political, and while some of them do speak of pain, they're not exactly "complaining." A lot of it is very hopeful and positive about the basic goodness of life.
ebullientsoul:
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Strike Anywhere ...I don't hear them going on about girls they've lost.
Ditto for Paint it Black.
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That's exactly my point.
But half of PIB's new album is a metaphor for Dan Yemin's divorce.
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I've never heard that idea about Paradise before, but I'd like to hear where you did.
If the definition we're using of emo is music with emotion then that pretty much makes most groups out there emo.
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You are still missing the point. Emo does NOT mean "music with emotion" but it also if all a band does is whine about girls and feeling lonely, then that is NOT emo either. The original emo movement grew out of 80's hardcore bands that got sick of meatheaded aspects of the scene, and branched into a blending of the personal and the political (which whether or not they realized it, is a core tenet of a large school of thought in modern sociology, especially academic feminism).
Do you like Minor Threat? Then go here and buy this http://www.dischord.com/store?action=showRel&relNumber=24 And then you will have a start on where emo came from.
And as for Paint It Black, I can't remember where I first heard it, but read this-
--- Quote from: http://jadetree.com/releases/product/JT1103 ---PAINT IT BLACK'S follow up to their urgent and trouncing CVA is epic in comparison. Not simply in terms of song length, but more importantly in terms of subject matter. Paradise contains all the mile-a-minute passion of the last release coupled with a more thematic tone, exploring the personal pains of divorce, the more global concerns of war and how the two are hopelessly intertwined. The end result is a heroic look inward and ultimately a catharsis guised in uncompromising intensity and spirit.
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And by the way, about half the songs on PIB's first album were about Dan Yemin's stroke. CVA stands for "Cardio Vascular Accident," the medical term for a stroke. Can't get much more personal than that. PIB is an emo band. Because emo is a type of hardcore.
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I define emo as "somewhat slow vaugely indie or punk rock music relating, and exclusively so to heartbreak". And yes, I'm well aware of emo's origins, however seeing as the recent stuff is more pervasive i consider that emo, and the "original" stuff early emo.
Addtionally, seeing as less and less emo bands talk about anything truly worth crying over, i'd argue that when something truly worth crying over happens to someone (ala Hot Water Music's near loss of a guitarrist or Yemin's stroke) it stops being emo.
Paint it Black IS a hardcore band. No if ands or buts about it. I asked Yemin myself. Certaintly there's personal stuff there but when your CD ends with a song like Memorial Day and begins with Election Day, that's political.
In short, its all in the defintion. Since you seem to be kicking around the term emo properly, I'll agree with you, we just use different terminology.
Robbo:
That seems a really crappy way of looking at it. Just take all the hard work people did creating a sound, its name and scene, something new. And just ripping it away and handing it over to nice comfortable mass media stereotypes. Be alright if the two where actually realated and it was just a change in the music rather than the work of media. But it's clear why I'd think this and it's a personal annoyance.
Ok, I clearly need tea, that was far to bitter for this time of day.
My Aim Is True:
--- Quote from: ebullientsoul ---I define emo as "somewhat slow vaugely indie or punk rock music relating, and exclusively so to heartbreak".
i'd argue that when something truly worth crying over happens to someone (ala Hot Water Music's near loss of a guitarrist or Yemin's stroke) it stops being emo.
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well, then you're just plain wrong. I say that with a smile on my face, a warm heart towards your contributions to this discussion, and an appreciation of the rest of your last post, but I'm still serious.
I know it will never happen, but I'd just like for whenever anyone who doesn't know about emo asks, that instead fo just being told about the mainstream definition of emo, someone would very quickly say "Well, there's what emo really is, but you're probably thikning of all this other stuff that really isn't emo at all." Because, seriously, emo is one badly abused term.
Like what if the mainstream press continually referred to bands like Matchbox 20 and Three Doors Down as "indie rock." Eventually, the Average Joe On The Street would think of those bands as being textbook cases of indie rock. Does that make it so?
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