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Robbo:
Ok, I was going to post this earlier, but couldn't put it the right way. And I'm pretty sure the mods would have jumped on it as chance to go "This is just here to bash music you don't like, in perticular Indie, so you're just trying to cause problems and mouth off. UltraDeathKill Ban! kthxbye!"

But that's not the point of this. Point is, when you have to listen you don't like...how do you listen to it, and why? I'm guessing a lot of people phase it out or whatever. But there are some cases when I point. Certainly if someone wants me to listen to it, I will. A lot of the time I probably won't like it, but I'm not a complete dick and I at least find out what I'm bashing. So I pay attention, so I know what I'm talking about when I state my dislike.

For people that like music and have active interests in it, I think it's something you have to do. After all, can't speak about things and say why you do or don't like if you haven't listen to them. I don't know if people think I'm speaking out of my arse when I say something like active and passive listening. Passively just sitting there, not really focusing, treating it as background noise, doing other things like talking to friends, playing games or whatever. And actively sitting yourself down infront of the stereo and giving your full attention to the music, all the little bits, how it changes and how it all realates.

But I hope you get the idea, it's not so much the idea and mood you have when you listen to the music...what the attention you give it and if you're trying to see all the details or just have it as sound (pleasing or not) in the background.

And before I go, this doesn't mean I think I can go "I actively listen to the music you like, I can say it sucks all I want on these boards. Man it's really crap." Or that I think I will be able to turn into a "Well, I listen to this album today and it sucks because of this, this, this.." thread (As much fun as review thread the boards would be, mods would probably say it violates the happy land rule even if it was working with balanced and well written good and bad reviews).

So, today I went to see my mate Paul. I ended up being made to listen to the Dismemberment Plan album "Emergency and I". So I sat there infront of the stereo and listend to it all from start to finish.* Normally I'd just tune stuff like this into the background or leave if it was a club or something. I thought it was horrible, being bland, boring, showing very little music ability and made me want to jump out of the window, blah blah blah. You know I don't like Indie and the mods are probably itching to ban me for that comment now.

And no the point of this thread is not to let me get those few comments in. Nor to be "Hey, I'm a dick and I like to listen to music other people enjoy just to trash it." I certainly don't do it just with Indie, I've listened to others things I dont like. Such as A7X's new album, I have mentioned the fact on the boards. The album is claimed by some to be a certain genre, I listend so I could say why I think it's not and to say why it's bad. I'

It's partly to say, "Hey, I've listen to it, I have a grounding for my dislikes." And also to ask people, what approachs do you take to listening to stuff you don't like. Are their times when you pay attention, do you ever take time to listen to certain genres so you can talk about them?

Guess an example would the issue of "Real Emo" that's going on at the momment. Now, a lot of people don't like the common media image of Emo. But because of what's mean said, would anyone or has anyone gone and tracked down some of the real Emo to listen too? To say "I dont like emo, yes I have actually heard the Embrace album and I didn't like it either."

EDIT: Meh, that comes across badly, but it's been on my mind after having to listen to the album and I was wondering about it.

*Note, I also don't think to be fair, whatever that everyone else HAS to do things like this to be able to comment on stuff like don't like. Or that people now HAVE to go and listen to listen to a Dreams of Dying Stars album or something in tit for tat.

MilkmanDan:

--- Quote from: Robbo ---So, today I went to see my mate Paul. I ended up being made to listen to the Dismemberment Plan album "Emergency and I". So I sat there infront of the stereo and listend to it all from start to finish.* Normally I'd just tune stuff like this into the background or leave if it was a club or something. I thought it was horrible, being bland, boring, showing very little music ability and made me want to jump out of the window, blah blah blah. You know I don't like Indie and the mods are probably itching to ban me for that comment now.
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You realize that people don't actually get banned for disliking an album, right? I know it's a fucking miracle of nature that you listen to Metal, but you need to stop acting like your some sort of goddamn freedom fighter, with the evil mods desperate to ban you for not listening to 'indie music'. I'm more likely to get banned for quoting your post than you are for not liking The Dismemberment Plan. I guess that makes me a total rebel, and now everyone else on these forums is totally out to get me. Seriously. Just lighten up.

Anyway, the point of this topic might have slid by me, but I think the question boils down to 'Do you ever listen, REALLY in-depth listen, to music you don't like?'.
Assuming that's the point, then yeah sometimes. But I don't do it just so I can say "I hate Indie Music. Yeah, I listened to the dismemberment plan album, it sucked. Therefore my opinion on the entire genre is vastly increased". I generally do when people whose music tastes usually align with mine recommend something to me, and I'm not feeling it. Three recent examples are "LCD Soundsystem - LCD Soundsystem", "Notorious BIG - Ready to Die", and "An Anthology of Noise & Electronic Music [1921-2001]"
LCD Soundsystem and the anthology were recammended to me by friends, and Ready to Die is one of Hip-Hop's undisputed classics, beloved by basically everyone. None of them grabbed me at first, but I listened through all of them with serious concentration 5 or 6 times. Both the Notorious BIG and LCD Soundsystem are (in my opinion, duh) mind-blowingly overated pieces of crap. There is one song I like on each album, tops. The anthology kicks serious ass, which makes it irrelevant to this topic.
The point is, I often sit down and listen my ass off to music I don't like, but only if I think I might like it after a while. I guess regularily listen to things you think you'll hate is quite a good idea, as you can discover really suprising things you'd otherwise miss. Frankly though, I haven't got enought ime to listen to all the music I like, so music I don't doesn't get much of a look in.

Edit: If that wasn't what you were getting at, then my bad. Hopefully it was.

Robbo:
Oh for crying out loud, I tried to spend ages re-writing to make sure it couldn't taken as bashing anything. Dan, we've been over this I do not see myself as oppressed or some damn freedom fighter as you want to put it. I went and editted out the two references to Metal in the topic if that helps me at all.

Just the mods say they're gonna be ultra tight on people causing problems and as I dont like Indie and it's the majority, I feel it could have been far to easy to have it taken as me trying to rock everyones else boat. So I was trying to watch my step really closely. That's all.

But the rules state Metal as example of what "we" wouldn't try to make every thread about. And about not being an elitist dick and going around bashing things. After the events that caused the rules to go up. So I tried to included as much as that this thread was not about be looking to be able to get shots in at Indie, but given my shitty way with words I felt I had better make everything VERY clear before I get my head cut off for phrasing something badly and a mod thinking I'm trying to be a dick.

I didn't feel I could express myself correctly without stating all those things to make sure it didn't get taken the wrong way. I specially did not want it to be seen as starting a thread just so I could say how much I disliked some indie. I've stated before that I like a good musical shouting match but it's very clear that such things will not be accepted on these boards, so I was making sure to point out I wasn't trying to start one.

Of course the fact I need to write all that stuff and post that means I didn't get across what I wanted too. Sorry

MilkmanDan:
Nah, it's cool really. To be honest, I think most of the problems now come from people trying too hard to step round possible areas of flamage. I mean, I thought your example  was fine, and so when you got all defensive about it, it seemed un-nessecery and more like you were taking the piss out of the modding. Which pissed me off because I think the moddign is normally great. But whatever, I guess I'm the one being a dick here, and dragging the topic off on the first damn reply, so my bad.
Let's all just along, eh?

Merkava:
I stopped reading after you said The Dismemberment Plan was boring, showed no musical skill, and was bland because right there, all credability was lost to me. It's ok if you don't like it, but to use outright lies to attack an album/band is just silly and pretty much negates that huge block of text you wrote.

I can not like something, but I also recogize good things about something I don't like. If I listen to some speedcore/death metal band, I'll be like "um, ok, I don't really like it, but hey, those guys can really play that guitar fast" or something of that sort. I don't go "they have no skill" because I know they have it, but show it in a different way. The Dismemberment Plan was made up of some great musicians, but what I like is when bands like that show restraint instead of wankering off into the sunset with exploding guitar solos and 40-minute bridges. As the bandmembers of Mock Orange once said: "We had to expand out of just playing fast tunes all the time, because then, that's all you can convey. Speed."

I'll never just go and say "OMG THIS SUCK HUR" if I don't like a genre/group. Things like "eh, this isn't really in my tastes" or "not my cup of tea" suffice for me and don't make you look like an assmuncher.

If I'm listening to something I don't really like, I deal with it. I listen to it, point out some good things to help me make it through the time I have to have it blaring through my ears. I had to listen to crunk for a day while haning around with my friends, and so, I dealt with it. I nodded my head to a beat or something simmilar.

Sorry if I look like an asshat here. I just wanted to get this out.

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