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harry potter and the half blood prince - WITH SPOILERS

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LittleBoyLost:

--- Quote from: toastess ---i thought of regulus black first too... i don't know exactly how that would work since he's dead.... but maybe it happened a long time ago? i don't know.

the more i've thought about it, the less dumbledore's death bothers me. harry's mentor is gone... i think it was the next step. when it gets down to it, i think harry needs to face voldemort alone.
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I'm thinking one of the dudes who run Borgin and Burkes, the Dark Artifact, shop. Regulus Black did turn back to the good side, so it is possible, but Borgin or Burke seems likely too.

Switchblade:
Just finished it. Literally within the last two or three minutes, and I didn't skip a single word, either.

Aside from the chills, and the small voice in the back of my mind that's repeating "holy shit..." to itself over and over, My response:

That is a GOOD book. I'll definitely be re-reading it in short order.

I have to admire Rowling, really - she's not afraid to Kill off major characters, and she CERTAINLY doesn't shy away from death, upheaval and all-round nastiness. HP&HBP should have a "PG" certificate, I swear. Murder, the undead, betrayal, blood blood blood...

I just hope that the seventh book lives up to the ending of this one. Rowling was definitely surfing her creative wave when she came to the last few chapters, I think.

She's like that - under normal cirumstances, I still wouldn't call her an above average writer. Her gift, however, appears to be that every so often she shifts up a gear and suddenly becomes an outstanding one, precisely when it most counts. She's like a kung fu master who strings you along and lets you think you aren't up against a challenge, and then, suddenly, it's raining fists.

Top 3 favourite points in the book:

- Weasley's Wizard Wheezes.

- The kiss.

- The last line.

I just wish she'd stop using the word "snogging". It's too vulgar.

LeeZion:
I knew that Dumbledore was going to die, either in this book or in the next. Much as I dislike what that SP2 guy wrote in the other Harry Potter thread, he was right in saying that the series re-uses a lot of fantasy elements. Since Harry had a mentor in Dumbledore (the same way Luke had a mentor in Obi-Wan) it was only natural that Dumbledore would have to die (the same way Obi-Wan died) so that The Hero could grow.

One thing that is truly a tragedy is that no matter how many lives Harry saves (Ginny, Arthur and now Ron) people close to him still die. And still worse, all these deaths are pointless. Cedric Diggory: nonchalantly killed because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sirius Black: Fell through a curtain. Albus Dumbledore: Weakened himself to the point where he could not defend himself while pursuing an item to kill Voldemort — an item that turned out to be a fake.

And yet, life definitely goes on. The end of the sixth book reads like Four Weddings and a Funeral, with Bill&Fleur, Lupin&Tonks, Ron&Hermione, and Harry&Ginny coupling at Dumbledore's wake.

As Harry's readers are growing up, the series is growing up with them. Many of the readers who were Harry's age when the first book came out will have children of their own by the time HP7 hits the stands.

Lee Zion.

Tactical Error:
Just a minor correction, It is Morfin(her brother), not Marvolo(her father), who calls Marope a slut. I was only mildly taken aback thet the word actually appeared in the book. And how about them being cross-eyed due to inbreeding?
Speaking of inbreeding, Tonks/Sirius just didn't seem right to me. I didn't exactly suspect Lupin though.
The love theme was quite a bit stronger than ever before in this one. I think it was handled well enough.

On the note of borrowing from the established concepts of magic, any good fantasy fan should notice Voldemort for what he truly is now, A Lich. Also, was it just me or did the chapter "the cave" read like a D&D adventure?

It is rather definate that Dumbledore is dead but for anyone who want's to hold out the smallest bit of hope, Dumbledore's body is not actually seen at the funeral and a certain potion comes to mind(Draught of the Living Death).
Edit: For this theory to work, Snape has to be one HELL of an actor and Dumbledore would have a lot of explaining to do for sending people through such an emotional upheaval.

RAB also made me thing of Regulus first but who knows.

Despite Harry's intentions at the end, I doubt we've seen the lats of Hogwarts.

Switchblade:

--- Quote from: LeeZion ---I knew that Dumbledore was going to die, either in this book or in the next. Much as I dislike what that SP2 guy wrote in the other Harry Potter thread, he was right in saying that the series re-uses a lot of fantasy elements. Since Harry had a mentor in Dumbledore (the same way Luke had a mentor in Obi-Wan) it was only natural that Dumbledore would have to die (the same way Obi-Wan died) so that The Hero could grow.
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I noticed that too - Harry splitting with Ginny at the end, for her protection, to me reads a bit like Spider-man's relationship with MJ. Hell, Ginny's even got girl-next-door redhead thing going on...

I'd hardly say that using such established literary staples as killing off the mentor and finishing amicably with the girl for noble reasons is a bad thing - hell, without re-using certain hooks, stories would simply never get written, simple as that.

Having said that, I think having the mentor killed off by a trusted (apparent) ally, of that ally's free will is either unique or else very, very rare. I think I mostly thought that Snape, despite being an unpleasant bloke, was still mostly on the level.

With regards to R.A.B: Regulus Black would be the only name I can think of that matches, but his middle name was never mentioned, I think.  On the other hand, the impression I got (from a quick re-reading of that section in HP&OotP) was that Regulus Black probably wasn't smart, brave or powerful enough to get past the defences around that amulet. Dumbledore said that it would require a wizard of surpassing skill, plus backup, to get that far, and I got the impression from the short tale of Regulus Black that the dude was, at the very most, only an average and impressionable wizard.


--- Quote ---It is rather definate that Dumbledore is dead but for anyone who want's to hold out the smallest bit of hope, Dumbledore's body is not actually seen at the funeral and a certain potion comes to mind(Draught of the Living Death)
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He was hit with Avada Kadavra so hard that he was sent flying. Seeing as there's basically no known defence against that that doesn't make the curse rebound upon it's caster, I'd say he's dead. you certainly never saw him drink, or have time to drink, a sleep potion. I will, however, concede that you don't see his body at the funeral, merely a shroud-wrapped form that is most probably his corpse.

Besides, it'd be a real cop-out for Rowling to bring him back - SERIOUS deus ex machina. And if there's one thing we've been shown, it's that she doesn't really like to use DEM if she can help it.

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