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harry potter and the half blood prince - WITH SPOILERS
Mrs. Firefly:
You know, it was really kind of obvious right off the bat that Dumbledore was going to die. All of a sudden, he's popping up everywhere in the book, as opposed to OoTP where he all he did was show up every once in a while.
But jeez, it still hasn't really sunken in that he's not going to be in the last book. (Unless he comes back as an Inferi. Wouldn't THAT be interesting?)
And Snape. Man, I liked Snape. When I read 'Spinner's End', I had to convince myself that he was just acting along. (Also, whatever happened to Pettigrew locked up in the closet? I feel we haven't seen the last of him. He still has that 'debt' to repay to Harry, after all.) But now, I really don't know what to think.
AND I AM SO PISSED THAT PERCY DIDN'T DIE.
DIE, PERCY, DIE.
Also, didn't Rowling say that the HBP was a new character? LIES. Or mabye she was telling the truth and it's just someone DISGUISED as Snape?
Also also, what was Dumbledore's brother's name? Aberforth? I hope he turns up. (Or is he dead? I don't remember.)
InsideOut:
A few points.
- I don't think snape IS evil. I think instead of begging for his life, Dumbledore was begging for Snape to kill him, instead of revealing which side he really is on, or forcing Malfoy to become a murderer. Dumbledore would never beg for his life..even Harry saw that. Dumbledore was sacrificing himself to save Malfoy and to allow Snape to carry on his charade. Besides, if snape hadn't killed Dumbeldore, he would have died too, thanks to the Vow. Think, now Voldie will NEVER doubt snape again. He's the perfect spy, its just that noone knows it except Dumbledore.
- I'm glad about H+G, but I felt it was extremely cliched to do the whole "noble breakup" thing. I, too, immediately thought of Spiderman. Also, it doesn't make sense for them to break up, the whole freaking school, Snape and Malfoy included, know that they were dating...its not like Vold wouldn't find out how much they like each other.
- Dumbledore isn't gone. He should, theoretically, be able to talk to harry out of his portrait, just like every other headmaster of hogwarts. That is, unless Rowling explains in the next book why that isn't the case.
- If school happens next book, Hagrid is totally going to be head of Gryffendor.
- I'm thinking the real necklace was in Regulus's hands at some point, and is currently probably hidden in Harry's new house.
Edit: Oh, and I think it WAS aberforth, and no, as far as we know he isn't dead. Moody just said he disappeared after the last war.
LeeZion:
>>I don't think snape IS evil. I think instead of begging for his life, Dumbledore was begging for Snape to kill him, instead of revealing which side he really is on, or forcing Malfoy to become a murderer. Dumbledore would never beg for his life..even Harry saw that. Dumbledore was sacrificing himself to save Malfoy and to allow Snape to carry on his charade. Besides, if snape hadn't killed Dumbeldore, he would have died too, thanks to the Vow. Think, now Voldie will NEVER doubt snape again. He's the perfect spy, its just that noone knows it except Dumbledore.<<
There is definitely something going on with Snape. yes, he definitely killed Dumbledore. But during the final battle, he had an opportunity to take out a whole bunch of other people as well. He only Stupefied Flitwick rather than kill him outright. A true supporter of Voldemort, once he reveals himself, would not hesitate.
BUT!
BUT! BUT BUT!
He takes pride in what he's done! He haughtily and arrogantly taunts Harry over it in the end! A truly good man would not do that, either.
Maybe he's still on Dumbledore's side; maybe he's a true Death Eater. Either way, he's a dead man.
Lee Zion.
yelley:
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You space fucking spoilers a little farther than that
Jesus fuckin' christ I just wanted to know a little about the book.
I tried to scroll down and there it fuckin' was in my face.
Thanks for ruinng the book for me.
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wow... you didn't have to leap down my throat about it. it's not my fault you didn't read the warning before clicking on the thread. let's try to be civil with each other, okay? no need to swear so much.
anyway, back on topic....
even if he doesn't go back to hogwarts and he goes off and kills voldemort... i would think the ministry would let him be an auror anyway even though they don't exactly get along. killing the most powerful dark wizard that has tormented the wizarding world for years.... sounds like enough qualification to me.
a lot of people are saying that they think that dumbledore isn't really dead. the more i think about it, the more i disagree. i really think he's dead. same with sirius. i could be wrong of course, but i think that bringing either of them back would be a cop-out on rowling's part.
deus ex machina that seems to have been forgotten in this discussion - the ford anglia showing up in the forest to rescue harry and ron from aragog's descendants. i know i groaned aloud when i saw this in the theatres.... by the way i didn't start reading the books until after the third movie came out.
Mrs. Firefly:
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a lot of people are saying that they think that dumbledore isn't really dead. the more i think about it, the more i disagree. i really think he's dead. same with sirius. i could be wrong of course, but i think that bringing either of them back would be a cop-out on rowling's part.
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I agree. Like others said, Harry's still got the picture of Dumbledore, so he's not COMPLETELY gone. It'd be stupid to bring him back.
This might just be my creepy, dramatic tendencies taking over, but I think it'd be really REALLY interesting if Voldermort brought Dumbledore's body back as an Inferi.
Because a zombie Dumbledore would be COMPLETELY RAD. I'd let him eat MY brain.
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