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KharBevNor:
3 Inches of Bloods official band photo is kinda proof against that hypothesis, except after seeing them live in full metal glory I'm sure that was just some kind of twisted joke.
Genres are intensely useful things, because they provide the third, and crucial tool of music criticism. You can't just describe things by comparing them to other things, because that assumes everyone has the same musical vocabulary as you, similiary for describing things technically. Ideally, all things have to be used together for a proper picture.
sp2:
--- Quote from: kidd o ---then how do you explain that two different record stores can have the same record in different categories?
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One of those record stores is wrong. In fact, they're both probably wrong.
One of the record stores I frequent has a very discriminating punk/ska section. By discriminating, I mean stuff like the Clash, the Ramones, the Dead Kennedys, they're NOT IN IT. Their definition of punk is probably skewed, because no matter how poppy some Clash and Ramones stuff is, they are punk bands.
Another record store I frequent has stuff like Pretty Girls Make Graves, and Q and Not U in the punk section. I wouldn't consider either of these bands to be punk in the least.
Often, CDs in record stores are arranged by the personal opinions of the staff. If a member of the staff thinks an album is too mainstream, it'll end up in pop rock, even if it's Rob Zombie. Or they'll base their decision on a particular era of the band, example, Ministry's earlier stuff could by some be considered metal. Their later stuff is solidly industrial.
This doesn't mean there isn't a relatively universal concept of metal that defines metaldom, or alt-rockdom, or punkdom, or whatever. The Weakerthans aren't metal. Fugazi isn't electronica. Ministry isn't pop rock. Blonde Redhead isn't hip-hop. Nirvana isn't prog rock. There is no way at all in the very tiniest least bit to argue any of those. So stop pretending that genres can be bent at your whim, because you're full of shit.
kidd o:
Doesn’t it beg the question that if you listen to bands on their own merits rather than because they have something in common with something else you like, you palate would expand? I think this is the reason that art is so stagnant in the modern world. You have a few artists creating something unique and powerful, then you have people who say “that kind of music is category 5h7. Then you have that same group say “these bands are also 5h7” and people feel a responsibility to listen to it over something else that isn’t. It just seems like a marketing tactic to me and I don’t put much stock into it. Not trying to be a snob but it’s something I care about.
That’s the reason that I love the Indy tag, it implies an authenticity, not a sound.
KharBevNor:
Lol, this is off-topic, but have you heard Ministry's VERY early material? Still not pop-rock...but very, er...different. I'm particularly thinkinf of tracks like my much-beloved 'Every Day is Halloween'.
Also, as I never tire of pointing out, if 'indie' was about authenticity rather than sound, you would find Immortal, Skyclad, Inkubus Sukkubus, Forefather, Bathory, Edge of Sanity, Nightingale and Nokturnal Mortum in the 'Indie' section.
We all know Indie isn't 'just' about authenticity. Hell, half the bands a lot of indie kids listen to aren't even on indie labels. Someone post that NN2S comic.
kidd o:
If you believe that someone can have an opinion about art that is wrong then there is no need to continue our conversation.
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By the way who gets to decide what these terms mean?? Again, in Logic we call these words Buzzwords. They don't mean anything unless someone agrees that they do. Again just another logical fallacy.
Reading your post you seem to feel more qualified to designate where record shops put their records than they are. What makes you more qualified to decide what is and isn't punk?
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