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Azathoth:
I think I disagree with sp2's definition of arty. Does anyone really think art must eschew pop-convention entirely? There is such a term as "pop-art" after all.
I had a Tool phase for awhile and still dig them quite a bit. While I've certainly given Aenima enough spins to last me the rest of my life, you can't deny that it has the goods where it counts. It rocks, which is more than I can say for any prog album (real prog is for wankers). I think their lyrics are ambiguously cheeky for the express purpose of avoiding the irony of telling their fans what to do while encouraging independent thought. I think Tool's lyrics are occaisionally worth interpreting which is more than I can say for any black metal band. I'm not really impressed with their ability to conjure morbid, often nationalistic imagery based on an imagined past again and again (that said, I like some black metal).
In conclusion, it is far more pretentious to dump on Tool than to be in to Tool (or to be Tool for that matter).
KharBevNor:
Anyone saying Real Prog can't rock should listen to Space Metal by Star One. Now. 'Set Your Controls' pours petrol over your arguments, and 'Intergalactic Space Crusaders' throws the match.
Azathoth:
I might just have to give it a listen although even if I do agree that it rocks, its proginess surely does not contribute to said rockin.
Praeserpium Machinarum:
--- Quote ---The Residents are arty. Blonde Redhead are arty. Mars Volta can pass for arty.
--- End quote ---
Sure you can point out bands that are more "arty" than Tool, but that does not mean they are not in some sense arty. What I meant when I said "artiness" might be what you mean when you say prog, since prog in my book mostly implies artiness...
sp2:
Arty defines art-rock, which is a genre of music. I'm not saying that music that isn't art-rock isn't art, I'm saying it's not art-rock.
Does this make any sense?
Please please please say yes.
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