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sp2:
This is a rant. Sorry. Hang with me. Or lock it. I don't really care.
There are a few individuals who, whenever someone has something disparaging to say about a band, immediately respond with "why don't you have anything positive to say?" or "keep your opinions to yourself" or something equally inane. This is lame. This is obnoxious. This defeats the purpose of any sort of discussion on music in the first place.
You don't like people critically reviewing music? Well, shit, you probably shouldn't read album or concert reviews in your local paper, alternative or otherwise. I mean, they're going to dislike some of the stuff you love. And damn, you certainly shouldn't read Pitchfork or any other critic website, because they'll just thrash your favorite bands.
You don't like people making clever jabs at your favorite bands? Well, Jeph ought to just keep music out of his strip entirely. And Mitch Clem should stop writing Nothing Nice to Say. And SomethingAwful should just shut Your Band Sucks the fuck down. Because everyone knows making fun of bands other people like, even when it's done in a clever manner, isn't funny. Not at all. Not in the least bit.
People making cracks about music serves multiple purposes. It can be an honest to god criticism of the band. Is that wrong? No, not really, if you take music seriously, especially if you write it yourself, you are constantly looking things that work well and things that don't work well, so you become honed to look for such aspects of various pieces of music. Honest criticism, such as, "man, their lyrics are really cornball. The music itself is fine, but they need to have someone else write their lyrics" helps understand the music better, and for people like me, helps validate other reasons for liking a band, such as style, interplay between instruments, musical skill, etc. It can be a way of taking down a band that takes itself too seriously (and yes, there are tons of these out there. I like quite a few myself. I mean, I love The Mars Volta to pieces, but there are definitely an assload of jokes that can and should be made at their expense.). It can be a way of injecting some humor into an otherwise dull conversation. Hell, it can be a way of telling other people with similar taste to avoid wasting hard-earned money on a particular album (Trail of Dead rocks, but I wouldn't touch Worlds Apart even with Hazmat gloves). At the very least, it might make someone laugh (god forbid).
So seriously, there is nothing wrong with arguing about the merits of a particular band. There is nothing wrong with making a short snarky comment about a particular band. So seriously. Chill out. The world is a better place when people disagree occasionally.
SeanBateman:
See the problem is, you post this clearly well thought out rant, but in your actual criticisms of music, (i.e. Dashboard) all you really did was insult fans of the music. Clever criticism is a far cry from "there is no excuse for this band to be popular"
I am not responding to this thread again, so don't bother coming after me.
Trollstormur:
Tool is a good example of how I criticise music. I go: 1. They're awful talented, I'm sure but 2. It's not my taste in music. but 3. holy crap have I met some bad people that identify themselves as 'tool fans'
ICP: 1. They're having fun doing it, and I'm pretty sure they don't take it seriously but 2. if they don't take their own music seriously, why should I? but 3. I've gotten in a lot of fights with irate Juggalos who are usually "those kind of people"
I shy away from the music forum a lot because I honestly only listen to one kind of music: a specific brand of metal (and it's off-shoots) And there's a whole lot of good music out there that I'm just not interested in and I'm glad you can groove on whatever melody you find appealing but I'd rather remain ignorant.
kidd o:
Isn’t it just as easy to discuss a flaw in a record from a neutral or even positive manner?
MilkmanDan:
What, something like "I really love the fact that the whole record is shit"? Or maybe "My Goodness! It's so awesome that you listen to terrible music. That's just swell".
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