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KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: Johnny C ---Having been forced to listen to both Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, I submit to you that if you hate music that much, why don't you just kill it?

Anyways, one of the best solos to make the "i'm wanking my guitar" face to is the intro to "When Doves Cry" by Prince.
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I think the 'all intricate guitar playing is wankery, music should be boring' school of thought really falls into a thousand pieces when you take it out of music and start applying it to other things like art:

"OMG, HR Giger! Such a show-off! He's just creating intricate fusions of flesh and machine for the hell of it, a true artist would show constraint and draw some peaceful nature scenes"

"Fuck, but Salvador Dali is just anti-art! All that surrealism and imagery, why doesn't he just paint flowers!"

"Michelangelo is cool, but the cistine chapel was just over the top. He should have stuck to the roofs of public toilets"

"Pointillism? What the fuck is that shit. It's all just artistic masturbation, worse than the pre-raphaelites. I prefer quaint street scenes painted by amateur artists in the most inoffensive pastel tones"

soak:
Very true so long as the intricacy of the guitar part is part of the song rather than running off in its own direction.

I think the artist metaphor falls down because it only applies to solo artists and doesn't take into account the collaborative nature of most modern music.

KharBevNor:
Oh agreed.

Of course, though, if you could actually play a guitar like Yngwie J. Malmsteen, you probably wouldn't really give a shit.

Rising Force would be like "Yngwie! Song structure! Riffs!"

And you'd be like "Fuck that, I'm gonna hit every semitone and  harmonic interval on the fretboard in under ten seconds! Just because I can!"

I believe in most cases, with truly gifted guitar players, sheer quality of playing can be enjoyed just for itself. This is why Wuthering Heights are so incredible.

Johnny C:

--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---I think the 'all intricate guitar playing is wankery, music should be boring' school of thought really falls into a thousand pieces when you take it out of music and start applying it to other things like art.
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Well, of course, if that's your school of thought. I never said all intricate guitar playing is wankery; for one example, Randy Rhoads is one of my favourite guitarists, and his stuff was intricate and awe-inspiring (see "Dee," which is even one of the simpler songs he plays on). And I enjoy some less intricate wankery (*cough*"Let's Call It Love"*cough*).

Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, I guess they just don't do it for me. If you enjoy music that sounds like the soundtrack to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles video game played by people who cater to one incredibly specific audience, namely needless-guitar-wank enthusiasts, then they'll be for you, and while I'm at it might I recommend Racer X?

I'll leave off with this: a quote I once read said "David Gilmour can say more in three notes than Yngwie can say in a hundred." I think that's pretty true.

jeph:
Yeah but David Gilmour spent 3 months in a studio piecing together those three notes from 4500 different takes!

No really, that's how he recorded his solos.

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