Topic: Bob Dylan (Read 19972 times)

Topper · « **on:** 28 Sep 2005, 13:00 »

The only three Bob Dylan albums from the 1960's I don't already own are 'The Times They are A-Changing', 'Another Side of Bob Dylan' and 'Bringing it all Back Home'. I'm very tempted to buy them this weekend, but because I am so god-awfully poor at the moment it would mean not being able to do any food shopping for next week. Just wondering if anyone who owned these albums could tell me if they're worth going hungry for? Cheers.

Sythe · « **Reply #1 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 14:11 »

Depends on how hungry. If I had to choose one, though, it would be Another Side of Bob Dylan

KharBevNor · « **Reply #2 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 14:29 »

Starve.

Of all the things that will make my parents deaths more bearable, inheriting the biograph box set on vinyl is quite high on the list.

Dylan is the man.

youbelongtothecity · « **Reply #3 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 14:40 »

I have "The Times They Are A'Changin'". I actually haven't listened to it that much, but "With God On Our Side" is a great song.

edit: listening to it right now, and it's awesome. Get it.

Lutharion · « **Reply #4 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 14:41 »

My father has every Bob Dylan CD out and he gave me all his records so I think I have every vinyl also. heh

Gryff · « **Reply #5 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 15:14 »

I would say go for Bringing It All Back Home first, then Another Side… if you can afford it, then The Times…

Actually, they're all really great. Starve.

Sythe · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 16:04 »

Its been waay too long since I've been to a Dylan concert.

Kai · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 17:04 »

Dylan is fucking ace.

sjbrot · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 Sep 2005, 22:58 »

On the Road with Bob Dylan by Larry Sloman is one of the great examples of rock journalism. Sloman went on the Rolling Thunder tour, which was done after Desire was released.

I would honestly recommend it to any music fan, whether they like Dylan or not.

Gryff · « **Reply #9 on:** 29 Sep 2005, 15:22 »

I would also recommend "Like A Rolling Stone: Bob Dylan at the Crossroads", the new one out by Greil Marcus. A very interesting read about an amazing song.

Sh8k3zu1a · « **Reply #10 on:** 29 Sep 2005, 19:47 »

I am proud to say I own all of Bob Dylan's albums and all of the Bootleg series and several music video/biography videos. Also I own a Bob Dylan self Portrait Painting. Woot for me. please note that the painting is actually a lithograph not a canvas, but it is autographed.

sjbrot · « **Reply #11 on:** 29 Sep 2005, 23:09 »

Quote from: Gryff

I would also recommend "Like A Rolling Stone: Bob Dylan at the Crossroads", the new one out by Greil Marcus. A very interesting read about an amazing song.

I like Greil Marcus' work, which is why I am surprised I have never heard of this one. What is it about exactely?

Gryff · « **Reply #12 on:** 29 Sep 2005, 23:18 »

It's pretty much brand new, which might explain you not having heard of it.

It's about "Like A Rolling Stone" basically. The song, its influences, society at the time, how the song affected society etc. It's really very interesting for both Dylan fans and people interested in pop culture in general.

Plus there are some really good descriptions of the recording sessions and the different takes and stuff. Recommended!

sjbrot · « **Reply #13 on:** 30 Sep 2005, 10:13 »

I'll definitely check that out. Thank you.

SeanBateman · « **Reply #14 on:** 30 Sep 2005, 13:16 »

Another side of Bob Dylan is flat out my favorite album of his. All of the songs are great, some of my absoloute favorite lyrics, and his voice is awesome. Please buy it.

Merkava · « **Reply #15 on:** 30 Sep 2005, 15:27 »

Even better than Blood on the Tracks or Highway 61 Revisited?

Gryff · « **Reply #16 on:** 02 Oct 2005, 19:01 »

Ah yes, Highway 69 Revisited. That was the album of porn-music style covers of Highway 61 Revisted, wasn't it?

SECProto · « **Reply #17 on:** 02 Oct 2005, 19:11 »

starve it out d00d. theyre worth it.

sjbrot · « **Reply #18 on:** 02 Oct 2005, 21:24 »

Quote from: Gryff

Ah yes, Highway 69 Revisited. That was the album of porn-music style covers of Highway 61 Revisted, wasn't it?

Curtis Mayfield came in on guitar. It was right before Dylan went Christian.

Thrillho · « **Reply #19 on:** 04 Oct 2005, 14:10 »

Bringing It All Back Home. I've heard it being called the 'shoulda been a classic' album, that's actually utterly exceptional but next to the classic Dylan (Blood, 61, Blonde) it gets overlooked.

I personally ADORE Love And Theft. Buy that!

Kai · « **Reply #20 on:** 04 Oct 2005, 14:14 »

I totally did not take you seriously because of the Green Day avatar.

I personally find The Times They Are A Changin' to be my personal favorite release of his, but whatever.

Thrillho · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 07:28 »

Quote from: Kai

I totally did not take you seriously because of the Green Day avatar.

Lyk omgz dey suk rite?

>_>

Grumpus · « **Reply #22 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 07:49 »

Highway 61 Revisited is one of my all time favorite albums. Every song is gold.

Has anyone out there read his autobiography or seen the new doco. I havn't but I eagrly look forward to both.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #23 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 08:56 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid

Lyk omgz dey suk rite?

>_>

Greenday? More liek greenGAY lolzorz!1!

sjbrot · « **Reply #24 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 09:25 »

I read Chronicles, Volume One. It's interesting, and he is a great writer, but he kind of keeps of the veil of mystery that he has always had around him. If you're just looking for a great read, then it's a plan. But there might be better books out there for you.

Merkava · « **Reply #25 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 12:20 »

Quote from: Gryff

Ah yes, Highway 69 Revisited. That was the album of porn-music style covers of Highway 61 Revisted, wasn't it?

Fuck, I'm horny.

Kai · « **Reply #26 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 13:37 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Quote from: DynamiteKid

Lyk omgz dey suk rite?

>_>

Greenday? More liek greenGAY lolzorz!1!

amirite?

lol ur gud at this

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SeanBateman · « **Reply #27 on:** 05 Oct 2005, 14:40 »

Quote from: Merkava

Even better than Blood on the Tracks or Highway 61 Revisited?

Yes. Not better than Blood on The Outtakes though.

And Green Day is AWESOME.

Bring the KY · « **Reply #28 on:** 08 Oct 2005, 14:16 »

I think the last four songs on Bringing It All Back Home are fantastic, I think the rest is alright. My favorite album of Mr. Dylan's is "Blood on the Tracks", personally. I adore Mr. Dylan, he is not without flaws, however. I don't like his country phase (i.e. Nashville Skyline) nor do I like his Christian crap. "Love and Theft" is great, though, so I won't just say everything after 1976 sucks, but a lot of it is sub par. Hm.

sjbrot · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 Oct 2005, 22:36 »

Of course, he released some iffy and flat out bad albums. But, I would say that Slow Train Coming stands as one of my favorite albums by him. It is an entirely solid album, and, if you can't see past the religious imagery to see a set of great songs, that's your loss.

Thrillho · « **Reply #30 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 10:59 »

Quote from: sjbrot

Of course, he released some iffy and flat out bad albums. But, I would say that Slow Train Coming stands as one of my favorite albums by him. It is an entirely solid album, and, if you can't see past the religious imagery to see a set of great songs, that's your loss.

Quite frankly, I'd be more of the opinion that if you have to see past the religious imagery to see great songs then you need to open your mind some more.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #31 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 11:12 »

I dunno.

Overstated submissive dualistic religious clap-trap does have a tendency to make me sick up a little in the throat.

And nothing is quite overstated submissive dualistic religious clap-trap in the same way as 'You Gotta Serve Somebody'. I find that song philosophically repugnant. I must admit I've never heard the whole album. Never had the desire. I'll swallow religion in, say, Masters of War, or even some Johnny Cash to the extent of songs like 'The Mercy Seat' and 'Ghostriders in the Sky'...but I cannot take a track dedicated to preaching concepts I despise and reject.

Plus it's no great shakes musically either.

tania · « **Reply #32 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 11:37 »

If an extremely well-written, well-composed song happened to be about, say, killing babies, I'm sure that would still be a perfectly valid reason not to like that song.

Of course, that is a HUGE extreme from religious preferences, but it's still the same idea: Agreeing with the viewpoint of the artist and with what the song is about is almost always a factor in liking their music, whether you realise it or not. it doesn't make that kind of music "good" or "bad", but just states that a christian is probably going to like christian rock a lot more than I do. It's not a matter of him being more open minded than me, it's just human instinct. Haven't you ever heard someone say they like a song because they can "relate" to it? Same principle. Christian rock is just meant to appeal to Christians more.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #33 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 11:49 »

I think The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan is my favorite. My favorite of his electric years is Blonde on Blonde, but Freewheelin' blows them all away.

The first time I heard A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall played on the Live at the Gaslight where the listeners sing the chorus with him, I got the heebie jeebies.

About religious songs: I think it is silly that people get uptight when someone sings about their faith but don't mind when writers talk about other things they believe in wholeheartedly. Sure, the songs can be bad but to blank it out just because it talks about icky Religion is pretty dumb in my opinion.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #34 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 11:50 »

Actually, I quite like several songs about killing babies.

My religious beliefs oppose christianity quite strongly, particularly the strands and viewpoints of that song. The line 'It may be the devil, or it may be the lord, but you have to serve someone' encapsulates the entire logic behind close-minded christian persecution of other faiths, and one of the major things wrong with christianity. I serve no-one, neither the devil or the lord.

Thrillho · « **Reply #35 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 13:06 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

Actually, I quite like several songs about killing babies.

My religious beliefs oppose christianity quite strongly, particularly the strands and viewpoints of that song. The line 'It may be the devil, or it may be the lord, but you have to serve someone' encapsulates the entire logic behind close-minded christian persecution of other faiths, and one of the major things wrong with christianity. I serve no-one, neither the devil or the lord.

I take exception to that. In my experience, it isn't Christianity as a whole, but Christian Fundamentalism and/or Catholicism which leads to persecution, and other denominations and very much of the 'Love thy neighbour' stance.

As as someone who was brought up in the church and would probably be a Christian but for my love of sex, I know my fair share about this subject.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #36 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 13:40 »

I went to a church school. Zing.

Analyse the line I quoted my good sir. Mr. Dylan is pretty much saying if you don't serve his lord like a grovelling wretch, you serve Satan like a grovelling wretch.

Nuh-uh.

sjbrot · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 17:42 »

Quote from: ephemere

Agreeing with the viewpoint of the artist and with what the song is about is almost always a factor in liking their music, whether you realise it or not.

I understand what you are saying, but I still believe that even if you don't come from that viewpoint, there is something that can be taken from music as long as it is well done.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 19:47 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

I went to a church school. Zing.

Analyse the line I quoted my good sir. Mr. Dylan is pretty much saying if you don't serve his lord like a grovelling wretch, you serve Satan like a grovelling wretch.

Nuh-uh.

He's not saying that, come on.

He's saying that no matter what you do you have to be serving someone. He's not saying anything about YOU ARE EVIL AND GOING TO HELL IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE. Just that in his opinion he thinks you should serve god.

Anti-Christians always put these stigmas of MY WAY OR DIE mindset on ALL christians, which is just bogus. The world is not black and white, and neither is it's people. Even if they disagree with you.

shrimp · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 20:03 »

Quote from: Kid Modernist

Anti-Christians always put these stigmas of MY WAY OR DIE mindset on ALL christians, which is just bogus. The world is not black and white, and neither is it's people. Even if they disagree with you.

Does the christian belief system not say that Thou shalt have no false Gods before me? Which means if you are totally into youre beliefs that all other "Gods" are satans helpers?

I am all for the live and let live approach and know a very large number of Christians who have ABSOLUTELY no problems with my personal belief systems, ethics and moral code, but Christianity as a religion does.

And Khar is right, he didnt offer you a hazy grey area, its either, you are FOR US or AGAINST US, according to Dylan.

Kid Modernist · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 20:18 »

Yes, the Bible says that. But people interpret the bible in different ways. My personal reading of that is that by "Gods" he doesn't mean "other Gods" he means that you won't worship anything that is human. You won't put all your though to money, possessions, sex, whatever. I could be wrong, but GASP it means that not all people think the same thing regarding what the Bible means.

Of course he didn't give a grey area, it's what he believes. But he also didn't mention "You're evil if you disagree" anywhere, besides were people insert them themselves.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #41 on:** 11 Oct 2005, 23:43 »

Grief, you didn't get my point.

I don't Serve anything. Especially not the 'devil' or the 'lord'.

I'm a spiritual guy, but "This is the hand that makes, this is the hand that moves".

No time now, gotta get bus. Grarghlzarg.

shrimp · « **Reply #42 on:** 12 Oct 2005, 09:29 »

It depends on your idea of serve.

I serve my gods, I serve them by my relationship with them. I dont follow some text written by people who write the word of their god.

I serve my gods by honouring them and they serve me occasionally by granting a prayer or giving my magic a kick up the bum and making it work faster.

I don't forget my morals and do something I deem wrong because a god asked me to, BUT I can't say I wont. I have given up many things cause my Gods have asked it of me, it has made me a better person, for that I thank them. I mean I give up my full moon nights and sabbat days, I have done 24 hour fasts and mediations and ordeals. These made me more connected to both my Gods and the Earth, as I want to be.

I would like to hear your idea of "serve" Khar.

On Topic- Dylan Blows, his voice is dreadful and makes me want to stick sharp pointy things in my eardrums so I never have to hear it again.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #43 on:** 12 Oct 2005, 10:16 »

I wouldn't call that serving, you see. I call that sort of relationship friendship, myself. A respectful friendship, of course, but a friendship. I suppose there are elements of service involved, but I don't see it as serving, though semantically I suppose you're correct. A lot of christians, I suppose, would say they have a similiar relationship with God/Jesus/the trinity etc. (though they call magick 'prayers', as to admit the existence of a supernatural power available to anyone would de-validate the existence of miracles, anyhoo...) but I can never help myself but see servitude under wrathful old Jahweh as being anything but, well, tyrannical. The god of the bible is a paranoid spiritual construct, an uber-patriarchal totem created by weak men who demands endless praise from his followers during and after life, and hands down edicts restricting pretty much every area of their earthly existence. The reason I don't like a lot of, especially conservative, christians is that they ignore these rules until they get to one they like (like 'no gays').

Clearer? Sorry, I'm allergic to paragraphs.

Thrillho · « **Reply #44 on:** 12 Oct 2005, 11:39 »

Quote from: KharBevNor

I went to a church school. Zing.

Analyse the line I quoted my good sir. Mr. Dylan is pretty much saying if you don't serve his lord like a grovelling wretch, you serve Satan like a grovelling wretch.

Nuh-uh.

Yes, that's one Dylan lyric and Dylan's specific views. Most Christians are of a 'live and let live' pespective.

While, yes the Bible states that worshipping other Gods is a sin, everyone on Earth is of equal sin. It's the repentance that counts (unless you take God's deeds and put them in someone else's name, which is the only unforgiveable one I think.)

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The reason I don't like a lot of, especially conservative, christians is that they ignore these rules until they get to one they like (like 'no gays').

Now this is one thing I agree with. I mean, just as a ridiculously extreme example - there are extremist Christians who will shoot gays, purely because of their sexuality. What the fuck? How about 'thou shalt not murder,' dickheads?

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Topper

youbelongtothecity

Lutharion

sjbrot

Sh8k3zu1a

sjbrot

sjbrot

SeanBateman

Merkava

SECProto

sjbrot

Grumpus

sjbrot

Merkava

SeanBateman

Bring the KY

sjbrot

Kid Modernist

sjbrot

Kid Modernist

shrimp

Kid Modernist

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