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Neon Genesis Evangelion *spoilers*

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AdamIsConceited:
You're being a dick perhaps?

I made a good point, the series was good back then and can't hold it's own to some of the shows on today.  I'd make references to said shows but I stopped the whole Otaku thing back in highschool and grew up.

Moiche pretty much summed up everything in his post on the religous references so there wasn't really a need for anything to add.

I give it props for giving anime more attention in America and zombifying thousands of adolescants one episode at a time till their brains melted from the lack of use.  True story.

Switchblade:
Thanks for expanding on what you were originally saying. Pardon me while I let my irritation dissipate....

There we go...

Although this is getting off topic a bit, I'd query wether it's really fair to say that you "grew up" from the whole "otaku" thing. You may have stopped watching regularly, but I'm not sure that's valid justification for being obliquely insulting of manga as a whole. You seem to be suggesting that it's childish, whereas after just finishing watching through one of the freakiest things I've seen in recent years (it comes in just behind "Eraserhead"), I'm fairly convinced that I, a twenty-one year old man, am going to have trouble sleeping tonight.

I try to avoid making a distinction between an animated show and a live-action series, preferring to judge a series on its own merits rather than letting its origin cloud my judgement. Just because it's animated and from Japan shouldn't be cause for a dismissive attitude.

I've heard people talking about NGE before, and I can't claim to have ever been sufficiently interested to go out of my way to procure a copy, but now that I've watched it, I'm very glad I did. However, I strongly doubt I'll watch it again anytime soon, if ever. In all honesty, I prefer something a little more lowbrow - something where the final scene of the entire thing doesn't involve the lead male trying to strangle another main character to death on the shores of a blood-stained sea while half the continent-sized severed head of another main character turned planet-sized naked space giant stares blankly off into infinity in the distance. I tend to get attached to recurring characters, and don't like seeing them get that badly fucked up.

Still, it made me think. Mostly I'm still sorting through confusion and weirded-outness, but I'm spending a lot of time thinking about the series and film as a whole and trying to pick out some kind of moral, which is probably the entire point.

AdamIsConceited:
It was defiently a thought-provoking series I'll give it that.  And, I'm 20 so don't think you're an old man quite yet.

It's not that it's childish... but more of a fad for grade school kids from my perception.  I rarely see another adult give praises to an anime film or series.  I do admit to watching several recent movies like Steam Boy (Crap!) and... I can't even remember to be honest.

EDIT:  To try and keep this on topic... I had a crush on asuka

Switchblade:
Dude: She's Fourteen, and a cartoon.


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That would seem to be the case, sadly. West of Switzerland, Anime does seem to have a reputation as being what the weird kids at school watch. And then the kids who did watch it at school hit eighteen and they either descend into the depths of rampant otakuism (fat hairy men at conventions dressing up as Faye from Cowboy Bebop), or seem to recoil so violently that they attain escape velocity and start denouncing it as loudly as the people who made fun of them at school.

I'm fortunate enough to have never reached anything more than a low orbit, myself. I'll watch and enjoy manga, but for me they're all just TV series and movies, no different from any other. Most, in fact, I regard as being significantly worse than average. Ever see "Full metal Panic"? It's nothing but big robots and fan service.

It is, however, improved by watching it with a group of cynical tech students.

decklin:
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Eva, and what made it meaningful for me, has a lot to do why I like QC. It's a matter of folding, and particularly folding around wish-fulfillment. That and the distance between pain and laughter.

Unfortunately I don't know how to explain the concept of folding very well. my film guru is writing a book on it.

I think sometimes the most important and direct things don't have to... well... have to *not* make sense. I'm always kind of amused at people who try to come up with some hermeneutic of the Christian symbols. It's just another trope (like mecha is a trope, like the idea of a worldwide shadow conspiracy is a trope, like being depressed because you can't express your feelings is a trope) to be devolved as things go on into little bits of our minds and hacked into something that, well, addresses the problem of living in an entirely different way that what we would have otherwise.

But that's what all religious experiences are like, innit? :)

Sorry this isn't very clear.

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