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Thrillho:
Sounds like they're not doing what they were aiming to do.
Quite frankly, I grew out of the 'judging based on...' thing a couple of years ago - not that I'm implying others are immature/not grown-up for still judging or vice versa - and I think for that I have Eminem to thank.
But yeah, fuck who wrote it, fuck what label they're on - like it for what it is. Who cares if it's pop or not, it's about the song not the song's history.
However, I don't take this attitude with movies. I hate Adam Sandler...
P.S. Ashlee Simpson has some great pop tunes. Pieces Of Me was brilliant.
Dara:
I didn't say it's not there to create canon, I said the opposite. But I also said that the bigger value [for me] of music journalism is to access a culture, a culture which is created by the labels, the mags and the fans. I didn't say 'accessible' either, as some publications can be quite unfriendly to the untrained eye.
'anonymous, soul-ravaging pap' is a bit much innit. ;P not to say that sort of music is usually very good, but it's not cancer-causing either. it's pretty harmless stuff.
decklin:
Ah, plurals. So William Safire walks into a Burger King, orders two Whoppers Junior...
I don't know, this whole thing doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. Pop is interesting now, wasn't so much 10 years ago, was 20 years ago, wasn't so much 30 years ago, was 40 years ago... etc :)
Basing a criticism on the idea that one culture or style is automatically better is silly. I really do believe, however, that this was honest (*and* I agree with the assessment, still), whatever your opinion of the various memes that have since descended from it.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Dara ---'anonymous, soul-ravaging pap' is a bit much innit. ;P not to say that sort of music is usually very good, but it's not cancer-causing either. it's pretty harmless stuff.
--- End quote ---
I disagree with the conceit that it's harmless, but that's because I don't think culture is to be taken lightly. Also, "soul-ravaging pap" is hyperbole, and I thought visibly so; the point is, they embrace what would be termed by clear-thinking individuals as "not good."
Dara:
i don't think culture is in any mortal danger, even if there are alarmists who say so. things are all right!
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