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psilogen:
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--- Quote from: JLM ---Industrial music is like infant formula before you move on to real electronic.
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Ridiculously biased and wrong opinions are like cat turds shovelled into my eyes. Heard Throbbing Gristle? Current 93's Dog's Blood Rising? Industrial /= Rammstein.
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Man, why is everyone always hating on Rammstein?
Current 93 (also Death in June, also Sol Invictus etc) is Apocalyptic Folk, which is a different genre than industrial. It may as well be the same though, because only industrial fans have the stomache for it. ApopFolk does have a number of influences (and musicians) in common with Industrial, but Industrial (as originally conceived) typically relies more on tape manipulations and electronics than on noise and classical instruments.
Unless we're tossing VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 and stuff under the "industrial" umbrella, in which case the genre name has become so inclusive as to be worthless. If that's the case, then we may as well toss C93 and Death In June under there too.
Regardless, the genre has come a long and varied way from its conception as Industrial Records with Monte Cazazza and TG, etc
KharBevNor:
There was of course a reason I put the specific album. 'Dogs Blood Rising' is NOT Apocalyptic folk. It was released in 1985, before anyone knew what such a thing was: Dogs Blood Rising is almost pure tape manipulation and drums with nursery rhymes and Dave Tibet screaming 'JESUS WEPT!' over the top. A very dark and disturbing record. C93 didn't make the transition to apocalyptic folk until the very late 80's. I don't have anywhere near their full discography, but the transition was complete by 'As The World Dissapears...' (And may I just point out at this juncture what an amazing album that is?). The same with early Death in June. Tell me tracks like 'The Calling', 'Christine the Lizard' and 'Klaus Barbie' aren't pretty industrial*
VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 are EBM/Futurepop. I've NEVER quite worked out the seemingly arbitrary distinction between the two, except for a few bands (I KNOW :wumpscut: are EBM, I KNOW Neuroticfish are Futurepop, because, well, EBM is dead).
I'm not hating on Rammstein, I like Rammstein. I'd just NEVER hold them up as an example of industrial music. Just like I'd never hold up Hanzel Und Gretyl or Ministry. Industrial ROCK, yes, but that's a world away from real industrial. You'll notice that my list was entitled 'I know what I mean by electronic:', which is why it included Acid, darktrance, nu-pop, electronic darkwave and dark ambient.**
Stick around more and you'll realise I'm probably the biggest neo-folk fan on these boards. Fuck, I PLAY in a neo-folk band.
*At least in their original versions. Neo-folk bands seem to enjoy recording at least 6 versions of every song, though C93 do take it one step further by changing the title all the time (Ie 'Hooves' and 'Horsey' are different versions of the same song).
**My black is blacker than your black. I call it black black.
Rizzo:
psilogen:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---There was of course a reason I put the specific album. 'Dogs Blood Rising' is NOT Apocalyptic folk. It was released in 1985, before anyone knew what such a thing was: Dogs Blood Rising is almost pure tape manipulation and drums with nursery rhymes and Dave Tibet screaming 'JESUS WEPT!' over the top. A very dark and disturbing record. C93 didn't make the transition to apocalyptic folk until the very late 80's. I don't have anywhere near their full discography, but the transition was complete by 'As The World Dissapears...' (And may I just point out at this juncture what an amazing album that is?). The same with early Death in June. Tell me tracks like 'The Calling', 'Christine the Lizard' and 'Klaus Barbie' aren't pretty industrial*
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Man, I kinda put my foot in my mouth there. I'm only acquainted with middle and late career C93/DIJ
--- Quote ---VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 are EBM/Futurepop. I've NEVER quite worked out the seemingly arbitrary distinction between the two, except for a few bands (I KNOW :wumpscut: are EBM, I KNOW Neuroticfish are Futurepop, because, well, EBM is dead).
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I basically just call everything in that realm "EBM/Futurepop," because I don't listen to enough of either for it to make a real difference. Except for Front 242, which I just call EBM. I've always figured that futurepop was more vocal-oriented and "techno" than EBM, which tends to be harder and more rigid. Hell if I know, though.
--- Quote ---I'm not hating on Rammstein, I like Rammstein. I'd just NEVER hold them up as an example of industrial music. Just like I'd never hold up Hanzel Und Gretyl or Ministry. Industrial ROCK, yes, but that's a world away from real industrial. You'll notice that my list was entitled 'I know what I mean by electronic:', which is why it included Acid, darktrance, nu-pop, electronic darkwave and dark ambient.**
Stick around more and you'll realise I'm probably the biggest neo-folk fan on these boards. Fuck, I PLAY in a neo-folk band.
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I'd imagine that the number of neofolk fans on this board could probably be counted on a hand and a half (maybe my joining knocked it up to two full hands?), but it's nice to see that we've got some.
What instrument do you play in the band?
--- Quote ---*At least in their original versions. Neo-folk bands seem to enjoy recording at least 6 versions of every song, though C93 do take it one step further by changing the title all the time (Ie 'Hooves' and 'Horsey' are different versions of the same song).
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Hehe - sounds a bit like Coil! It's nice though, provided the versions continually get better.
--- Quote ---**My black is blacker than your black. I call it black black.
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My black has been growing steadily grayer as my distance from high-school increases, so I'm not at all surprised by that.
I've even started wearing colors
KharBevNor:
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What instrument do you play in the band?
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When I say band, that band is basically just me, as I don't know anyone in real life who likes neo-folk. At least not anyone who can play an instrument. I do vocals and play electric, acoustic, spanish and 12 string guitar, violin, keyboard, tape decks, harmonica, recorder, bodhran, sleigh bells and just about anything else I can get my grimy mitts on. Obviously, it's a studio project: though if it wasn't, I'm at a loss as to where we'd/I'd get gigs, so c'est la vie. I would REALLY like a decent vocalist/violinist though, I can't sing for shit, really, and I still haven't quite rung all the 'tortured cat' feel out of my violin playing.
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