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Orson Scott Card
Narr:
He's not a homophobe. =\ He states quite clearly what he thinks, and people are reading into that, which pisses me off. It's the curse of the articulate: you gain the ability to say exactly what you want but no one realizes you mean exactly what you say.
Seeing as, from what I've read, I share a lot of the same ideas, I'll try to get them out as best I know how.
Gay people are people, first and foremost. We as humans are not meant to judge one another, so we don't. There is a difference between thinking an act is wrong, however, and thinking a person is a bad person. I don't think homosexuality is a good thing, no. I do have gay friends, though. Quite a lot, actually, at least back home. In my eyes, we're all sinners. Just some in different forms than others.
Do you all really think Mr. Card doesn't have a point when he refers to the gay community having an agenda that's not a part of human normalcy? He's talking about extremists, I'm sure. I personally have met far too many gay people that revel in lewdness, that mock the established notions of family, that are offended at the thought that people believe children are important. I had a manager once that was the most stereotypically gay man I have ever met. Extremely kind to your face, but extremely manipulative and gossipy (even looked like he was 25 even though he was 50). Maybe that's tainted my opinions somewhat, I'll admit, but then again, I have quite a lot of normal people that just recognize they are attracted to members of the same sex, without being gay, if you understand what I mean. Yes, they are homosexual, but they are not gay.
I'm starting to ramble now. I'm not sure I really helped anything here, hahaha. We'll see.
Inlander:
--- Quote from: Narr ---I personally have met far too many gay people that revel in lewdness, that mock the established notions of family, that are offended at the thought that people believe children are important. I had a manager once that was the most stereotypically gay man I have ever met. Extremely kind to your face, but extremely manipulative and gossipy
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Surely you realise that there are many, many heterosexual people who behave in exactly the same way? If you don't like lewdness then fine, that's your prerogative. But to ascribe such a pattern of behaviour exclusively or definitively to a particular sexual persuasion is dangerous and misleading.
Valrus:
--- Quote from: Narr ---I'm starting to ramble now. I'm not sure I really helped anything here, hahaha. We'll see.
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You didn't. If you agree with Mr. Card, that's your decision. But you're not going to convince anyone here that he's not a homophobe, with statements like:
--- Quote ---The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.
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As if homosexual relationships are somehow innately incapable of being all of those things. That belief is just a small part of what I, and I suspect many other people around here, call homophobia.
He's still a good and articulate writer. Read his books, and more power to you. The articles I posted were just a heads up, basically, for people who feel as I do that Card holds indefensible opinions about homosexuality. If you don't feel that way, you're free to ignore them, but don't expect to convince anyone else here to share your politics.
The Cosmic Fool:
I still think I'll be able to read the books without a problem. I've always been able to manage seperating an author from his works. Politics is politics.
Valrus:
--- Quote from: The Cosmic Fool ---I still think I'll be able to read the books without a problem. I've always been able to manage seperating an author from his works. Politics is politics.
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That's good. It's the same issue that's come up occasionally in the music forum, mostly in relation to Isaac Brock. ;) Whatever his personality may be like, it won't stop me from listening to Modest Mouse. On the other hand, my interest in Card's books had been in decline ever since I read that Homecoming book, so with these new revelations I'm happy to move on to other authors. There are certainly enough of them.
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