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Guitar not so newb question: learning the fretboard

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TrueNeutral:
That may be so, but when someone says it's absolutely neccesary and I disagree, I'm going to say so.

KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: Misereatur ---
And theory is really easy when you understand the basics.
Once you get scales. You'll understad pretty much everything.
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It's not though. I have something approaching mild dyscalculia, ie I am utterly shit at anything to do with numbers. If I try and even think of the rhythms of what I'm playing in terms of time signatures (rather than just DAH -Dum-dah-dum-dum-dah or whatever) I'll actually start freezing up. I hit notes and chords because I know where they are and what they sound like, and I know the notes of the strings and whatnot, it's just I phsyically can't play and think of things like that at the same time. It makes trying to learn bits of theory so much of a drag I just can't do it, or I wouldn't enjoy playing anymore, if you see what I mean. That's the problem.

Misereatur:

--- Quote from: TrueNeutral ---That may be so, but when someone says it's absolutely neccesary and I disagree, I'm going to say so.
--- End quote ---


Valrus said that he wanted to know where every note is on the fret bord.
If you want to know the notes on the fret bord, your gonna have to know their names.


--- Quote from: KharBevNor ---
It's not though. I have something approaching mild dyscalculia, ie I am utterly shit at anything to do with numbers. If I try and even think of the rhythms of what I'm playing in terms of time signatures (rather than just DAH -Dum-dah-dum-dum-dah or whatever) I'll actually start freezing up. I hit notes and chords because I know where they are and what they sound like, and I know the notes of the strings and whatnot, it's just I phsyically can't play and think of things like that at the same time. It makes trying to learn bits of theory so much of a drag I just can't do it, or I wouldn't enjoy playing anymore, if you see what I mean. That's the problem.
--- End quote ---


Music theory exist so it will be easier to write music down.
If you can create the music that you want to create, and play with other people and enjoy yourself, then music theory is just an option, not a necessity.

Valrus:
So I'm resurrecting my old thread:

I've started by learning how to play all the diatonic notes in the C major scale in the open position and four others. Presumably I can apply this knowledge to get the major scale in other keys as well when I get a better handle on some of the notes on the 5th and 6th strings.

What next? Minor scale? Blues scales? Pentatonics?

Also, I know what modes are, but I have no idea how to use them or how to learn them effectively. I guess what I'm getting at is, there's an awful lot of scales out there, and obviously learning one at a time is not an efficient way of going about getting familiar with them. Any suggestions as to ways to acquaint myself? Links to helpful web sites are also appreciated! Thanks in advance.

TheMike:
an effective way to learn a scale is to learn how it is formed, so if you know what a major scale looks like, you can just make the 3rd, 6th, 7th flat and you have a minor.  To get a pentatonic, take the minor scale, and only use the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th.  To put the C scale into mixolydian mode, just play the scale form but starting on the 5th(G). I find learning a scale in relation to the root, like i was saying "1st, 2nd 3rd, etc" makes changing keys a whole lot easier and makes learning scales a lot easier.

example major scale =
1-C
2-D
3-E
4-F
5-G
6-A
7-B

c minor=
1-C
2-D
b3-Fb or E#
4-F
5-G
b6-Ab or G#
b7-Bb or A#

a major scale form on guitar is---

e----------------------------
B---------------------------
G-----------------------------
D----------------------2--3--
A------------1--3--5--------
E---1--3--5-----------------

minor

e----------------------------
B---------------------------
G-----------------------------
D----------------------1--3--
A------------1--3--4--------
E---1--3--4-----------------

i just think it helps to not see a scale as note C, D, etc, but as a series of seven notes that you can move around on and switch up to make other scales.

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