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KharBevNor:
Er, actually, in Vargs own words, he killed Euronymus because Euronymus threatened to kill him. Apparently Euronymus threatened to kill people quite a lot, (remember, back in the old days Mayhem's idea of a jolly lark was sending severed sheeps heads to people who gave them harsh reviews) but Varg believed it was serious, so he went for him. The two fell out mainly because they were both complete egotistical bastards: Euronymus saw himself as the 'head' of the Black Metal scene because he owned the Helvete record store and Deathlike Silence Productions, whereas the press generally viewed Varg as the scene's head because 'Count Grishnack' was a much cooler name, and because his statements made better headlines. Euronymus was also more widely unpopular in the scene towards the end because it was generally believed that he drove Dead to commit suicide, and the two were not on speaking terms owing to Varg taking Burzum off DSP because Euronymus had changed some of the track titles to things he thought sounded cooler. The fact that DSP was thinking of signing Salem, and had signed Sigh, wasn't really anything to do with it.    

To be honest, there are worse crimes even within black metal. I'd say both Faust and Jon Nodtveidt probably did worse, at least Varg knew Euronymus and had some sort of motive beyond 'he felt like it'.

The 'Jew-Lover' thing seems pretty typical of fake Varg interviews. From personal experience, these are normally adulatory and written by complete nutjob nazis from some Eastern European hellhole for their crapgasmic webzine. At least its slightly more thought through than the claim that Varg had given up on metal music because guitars were a 'nigger instrument' (someone giving the situation more than five seconds thought from inside a skull not badly eroded by Skrewdriver and Prussian Blue albums would have realised that Varg is a high-escape risk, high-security prisoner, and that guitar strings are probably not at the top of the list of things the Norwegian prison service are going to give him.)

I feel kinda bad defending the guy in even a limited way, tbh, but mainly what I'm driving at is, his music is fecking awesome. No matter how much of a twatbasket he was. Most people don't like it at first, I downloaded a load of Burzum out of curiosity and then just skimmed it for a bit before leaving it. I only got hooked by the inclusion of 'Ea, Lord of the Depths' on Fenriz's 'Old School Black Metal' compilation (the same blessed disc that got me into Nattefrost, Bulldozer and Sarcofago, and made me buy Venom albums other than Black Metal and At War With Satan.) I didn't even know it was Burzum the first time because I was just listening to it without the tracklist. From there on it just grew on me.

@ Troll: Those guys are fucking awesome. The really worrying thing is their video to 'Beer Beer' is only a few degrees more cheesy than something Korpiklaani themselves would do, and synchs up far, far more neatly.

Misereatur:
The wole black metal scene was fucked up back then. But Varg crossed a line as far as I'm concernd. And its hard for me to take him seriously, or listen to his music without hearing Woody Allen screaming in my head "he's a nazi!".

Anyway, I got flamed.
Never mind, I guess though I ow Khar an appology for dragging him to a needless argument about old school black metal.


The most importent thing to remember is to actually enjoy music.. so..
What do you guys think of SunnO)))'s new album?


edit: Kai totally nailed the thrash metal list
let me just add two Kreator albums: Pleasure to Kill and Extreme Aggression.
You may like their new albums, I found them a bit boring.

Kai:
I actually haven't listened to much Kreator.


On the subject of Sunn O))), I have their new album (assuming it's Black 1, someone check this  for me) but haven't actually listened to it yet. Go having too much stuff to listen to and not enough time to do it. Since starting this post, I've started listening to it, and the intro track thing is pretty fancy.

Storm Rider:
Kreator's classic album is Enemy of God, but certainly a great deal of their earlier material is fantastic. Sodom too, if you can get over the horrible sound quality.

And I honestly can't choose my favorite Anthrax album. Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, and the aforementioned Persistence are all very very good.

But picking a best Testament album is like picking between a group of swimsuit models.

Scandanavian War Machine:

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--- Quote from: lessthanfirst ---I think most metal is pretty shit. I like Pantera and Metallica (and Megadeth in very short doses) but most metal's just crappy riffs and guitarists trying to outdo each other by either cramming a ridiculous amount of notes into their shitty little guitar solos or trying to outdo each other by seeing who can detune their low E string the most. The double bass drum or double pass pedal is also a bit of a shit invention. I think Poison the Well are the only band I've ever heard use it effectively because if you have the bass drum too loud it doesn't fill the low end. It has nothing interesting to it, just a load of beats on the bass drum except really rapid - big deal. Most metal riffs sound exactly the same, as do the endlessly long solos and death/black metal vocals are just terrible. (This is just my opinion though, don't all you metal fans be taking any offence now :) )

I like Ensiferum though, folk metal, it's kind of fun.
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Pantera?  Oh God, I'm sorry.  You're entitled to your own opinion, but I put forth that you haven't listened to the right metal.  Most of what is classified as metal is crap (in my opinion).  However, if you manage to find the right bands, it's really awesome.
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I'm quite interested in thrash metal actually but I don't really know much about it.
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the only good pantera album is 'power metal' the rest basically sucks.
and i'd like to give high fives to whoever mentioned venom.

p.s. inferno is a way better motorhead album than ace of spades. i'm prolly gonna get castigated for this, but its just way better musically and more well written. don't get me wrong, ace of spades is sweet but all these "die hard" ace of spades people are just liking it to like it. people have this weird aversion to new anything. if a band stays low for awhile and then come out with a new album people always claim the 'old stuff was better' even if it wasnt (sometimes it is. see: Modey Lemon).
so, in conclusion; inferno>ace of spades

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