Have at it. And yes, you're allowed to change your vote.
There's always that question about whether it's playful cartoon violence. I think you're right that it's not -- a playful punch doesn't require an ice pack.
I'm personally looking forward to the Highlander-esque battle between Faye and Marigold.
And Marten has several times mentioned (and one time showed, I think) the bruising that resulted from Faye punching him. By the time it gets to bruising, it is not okay, even if it WERE meant "playfully."
Dammit, Faye's propensity for physical violence is NOT cute, and NOT ok, and should not be bemusedly tolerated or enabled by her friends. The fact that she thinks she's completely allowed to hit--and not just playfully--people (men) at her whim and pleasure is morally disgusting,and I'm getting to be only a little LESS disgusted at the fact that Dora, Marten, et al, continue to let it happen without comment.
Hmm. I wonder how Marigold will react to this. She could think Faye is flirting with Angus specifically to hurt her. She hasn't had the greatest impression of Faye so far, knows that Faye knows she likes Angus, and was not aware of the Faye-Angus prior to this. She also seems to expect people to be mean to her - I know what that's like, because it's how I thought before I got friends.
I'm definitely in agreement with you on this. There are many times that Pintsize deserves to be hit, can't deny that, but quite often, whatever something Marten said certainly didn't deserve much beyond playful punchings, much less something that really hurt, or bruised him. Faye shouldn't be punching people hard enough they need an ice pack - that sort of violence would definitely qualify for domestic violence, if they were in a relationship, wouldn't it? I get that it kind of is a way Faye shows affection, or deals with feelings she's frightened of, but that doesn't make it right at all, and I too don't know why it's not brought up with Dora/Marten or even in her therapy sessions.
Faye's behavior is only wrong if it actually bothers/offends the people she hangs out with and does it around.
Hell when i was in my teens and early 20's I totally knew people who would just hit each other on the shoulder or something for whatever applicable reason, no one cared, it didn't make the behavior wrong. Hell, i've offered my shoulder to people before when they say they just want to punch something really hard. I say go ahead. It's not gonna do any damage, and its not gonna wound my ego or hurt my feelings. In some groups its considered acceptable to say horrible cruel offensive things to your friends and no one gets mad, because that's just the way they do things.
If the people in QC universe actually cared that Faye was punching people, then they would stand up to Faye and say hey, stop hitting people or we aren't going to be friends anymore. If no one in the qc universe actually seems to care or think its a problem, then I see no reason why I should care about behavior deemed acceptable in a social circle.
Hmm. I wonder how Marigold will react to this. [...] Or she could try to figure out why Faye is better/more desirable than her, and maybe even try to copy Faye's behavior to win Angus over (which would be amusing - awkward and failed attempts at snark, hooray! Though not so much the random violence and bitchy attitude, if she copied that too).This could be interesting and even goofy idea.
Faye's behavior is only wrong if it actually bothers/offends the people she hangs out with and does it around...If the people in QC universe actually cared that Faye was punching people, then they would stand up to Faye and say hey, stop hitting people or we aren't going to be friends anymore. If no one in the qc universe actually seems to care or think its a problem, then I see no reason why I should care about behavior deemed acceptable in a social circle.I definitely see where you're coming from, but requiring an ice pack means it is doing damage.
Has anyone really stood up to Faye before and said, "Stop it, your behavior is entirely unacceptable." Dora's probably gotten the closest.
Perhaps they don't speak up because they're afraid of her?
Once or twice that I can remember. I remember Raven semi-accidentally doing it over her being a gigantic bitch to people, and she damn near had a breakdown over it.I don't know if it's what you had in mind, and I can't find the comic, but I remember Raven saying something along the line of "Aw! Poor Faye! Having to face the consequences of your actions..." with a perfectly innocent face.
I could just imagine Marigold snapping, and trying to be exactly like Faye in every way.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but requiring an ice pack means it is doing damage.
People should start punching Faye back, methinks...
Just because Faye's group of friends seem to not have that much of a problem with her violence doesn't mean that her behavior is okay.
If a guy takes sexual advantage of a falling down drunk barely cognitive girl, and all his friends don't have a problem with it, does that make what he's done okay? No, it does not.
People should start punching Faye back, methinks...
Methinks that if any of the guys did that then the forum would explode with debate about violence against women. I do not think Jeph really wants the cast to be beating on each other that much.
The friends don't matter in this situation because they aren't the ones being acted on, the drunk girl is and how she feels about it is what matters.
I would never hit a woman, but if she came at me swinging for real and not playing around, I'll do what's necessary for self-defense, even if it means clocking her in the jaw.People should start punching Faye back, methinks...
Methinks that if any of the guys did that then the forum would explode with debate about violence against women. I do not think Jeph really wants the cast to be beating on each other that much.
I would never hit a woman, but if she came at me swinging for real and not playing around, I'll do what's necessary for self-defense, even if it means clocking her in the jaw.
The friends don't matter in this situation because they aren't the ones being acted on, the drunk girl is and how she feels about it is what matters.
Um. So if the drunk girl has low self-esteem or other issues, and when she wakes up decides that "she probably deserved it"or it wasn't such a big deal (and maybe it's happened before), that makes it ok? NO, because the act is despicable regardless of the victim's tolerance for it.
But, I think if either Marten or Angus were to say to Faye, 'Don't hit me anymore', she'd probably get the message and back off.
The friends don't matter in this situation because they aren't the ones being acted on, the drunk girl is and how she feels about it is what matters.
Um. So if the drunk girl has low self-esteem or other issues, and when she wakes up decides that "she probably deserved it"or it wasn't such a big deal (and maybe it's happened before), that makes it ok? NO, because the act is despicable regardless of the victim's tolerance for it.
In many parts of the world, groups of guys DO consider it "ok" to take advantage of women, and women are encouraged to just buck up and accept it too. Still doesn't make it ok.
In other parts of the world, it isn't considered out of the ordinary for a man to beat his wife, and if she gets hit, the wife doesn't consider leaving her husband because "it's not really a big deal," "he only hits me, it's not like he breaks bones or does real damage" and "it's just something all women have to deal with." Still doesn't make it ok.
For a less emotionally abrasive example, take drinking--something else Faye has a problem with, and which she's been called on (although not without prompting from someone outside her Dora-Marten inner circle). Imagine a group of friends where one of them drinks to the point of blacking out on a regular basis, acts dangerously when drunk, etc. Even if no one calls the drinker on the problem, and greet each blackout as "Oh well, haha, there goes Tom again!" "Oh, we keep that puke bucket specifically for Tommergencies"--that doesn't make Tom's behavior not a problem somehow. Outside observers are still entitled to look at the situation and go "uh, that's not good, and not ok."
I don't care that Dora, Marten and Angus for some reason have decided that "it's just Faye!" and they're willing to accept that behavior--it is unacceptable and they're enablers. She hits people to blow off steam or for fun or when she's irritated, and she leaves painful bruises. Not just "accidentally" or sometimes, but pretty much every time. She's punched Hannelore and bruised her! She thinks it is ok to hurt people for her entertainment or as a way of expressing displeasure. That is NOT an acceptable mindset, and I don't care what her friends think of it.
There is only one way to stop all this.im for this, not because of faye, but because of how bad Tai would feel about blurting that out (granted she probably never knew the situation with merigold) and it would make for an interesting turn of events.
Marigold snaps, goes into the kitchen and hauls off and knocks Faye into the middle of next week.
There is only one way to stop all this.
Marigold snaps, goes into the kitchen and hauls off and knocks Faye into the middle of next week.
There is only one dway to stop all this.
Marigold snaps, goes into the kitchen and hauls off and knocks Faye into the middle of next week.
Except that Faye's punches do bruise the person she's punching, even if the person was only being a smartass. Sure, perhaps she doesn't punch out of real anger/jealousy, but she does leave a mark identical to the punches that are punched with that intent.
Except that Faye's punches do bruise the person she's punching, even if the person was only being a smartass. Sure, perhaps she doesn't punch out of real anger/jealousy, but she does leave a mark identical to the punches that are punched with that intent.
So. What.
You're focusing on the bruise and not the consent. None of her "victims" seem to to see it as more than playful. They aren't drugged or drunk or being taken advantage of. So who are you to condemn consensual adults?
I can understand if play punches aren't part of your clique how it would seem weird, but there are plenty of social circles where it's just as acceptable as being a smart ass or play insulting friends. Those would probably seem weird to outsiders too.
Sorry, that was sort of responding to Jack.*clipped*
I wasn't trying to condemn then, and I certainly don't think I mentioned anything about being drugged/drunk/taken advantage of.
To phrase a bit differently: does the consent for play punching still count when the person actually becomes injured from the playing punching?Why wouldn't it? It's not an isolated incident, they not only shrug it off but continue to freely associate with Faye without telling her off for it.
but Faye punches (even if playing) with the intent to harm (which is why it doesn't seem playful, at least to me).Fair enough, but she never punches anyone who objects to that. You may as well condemn all roughhousing and sports. Faye is nothing but consistent with this and yet its not considered serious by Martin, Angus, or even Pintsize. As far as I can remember, Faye has never intentionally hurt, even with an accidentally strong play punch, someone who did not already expect this sort of behavior; Dora has never been punched hard despite multiple cases of tickling and molesting Faye, for instance.
Also, given that Marten was Faye's target for a lot of the early punchings, at least, and not only did he have low self-esteem at that point in time, he also really liked Faye a lot, and seemed willing to put up with a lot of whatever from her because of that. So was he really consenting because he didn't care, or was he consenting because he didn't feel comfortable speaking against it/was afraid he'd lose Faye if he did?Fair point, for the beginning of the relationship. However, he's still ok with it now (when he has Dora), and he had two easy outs; once when they moved, and once when Dora asked him to move in with her (post Fayefixation). He clearly doesn't consider the occasional smartass tax as a signifigant enough factor to want to escape, and in fact was very upset at the prospect of moving physically away from her despite no longer pursuing her romantically.
Faye is really a physically violent person,I strongly disagree. Has she ever lashed out in anger with the intent to seriously harm? The closest might be Pintsize, but he's super durable, potentially doesn't feel it much, and clearly doesn't consider it a serious threat worth of avoiding Faye for. The worst injuries she's inflicted have been play punches that the recipients seem not to care about or outright accept.
Quote from: Moxiebut Faye punches (even if playing) with the intent to harm (which is why it doesn't seem playful, at least to me).Fair enough, but she never punches anyone who objects to that. You may as well condemn all roughhousing and sports. Faye is nothing but consistent with this and yet its not considered serious by Martin, Angus, or even Pintsize. As far as I can remember, Faye has never intentionally hurt, even with an accidentally strong play punch, someone who did not already expect this sort of behavior; Dora has never been punched hard despite multiple cases of tickling and molesting Faye, for instance.
Quote from: MoxieAlso, given that Marten was Faye's target for a lot of the early punchings, at least, and not only did he have low self-esteem at that point in time, he also really liked Faye a lot, and seemed willing to put up with a lot of whatever from her because of that. So was he really consenting because he didn't care, or was he consenting because he didn't feel comfortable speaking against it/was afraid he'd lose Faye if he did?Fair point, for the beginning of the relationship. However, he's still ok with it now (when he has Dora), and he had two easy outs; once when they moved, and once when Dora asked him to move in with her (post Fayefixation). He clearly doesn't consider the occasional smartass tax as a signifigant enough factor to want to escape, and in fact was very upset at the prospect of moving physically away from her despite no longer pursuing her romantically.
And Angus has received worse injury long before they really knew each-other. In fact, he went out of his way to provoke Faye into it. There was a time where that was the majority of what he knew of Faye and he still pursued her despite it, clearly not negative factor.
Quote from: MoxieFaye is really a physically violent person,I strongly disagree. Has she ever lashed out in anger with the intent to harm? The closest might be Pintsize, but he's super durable, potentially doesn't feel it much, and clearly doesn't consider it a serious threat worth of avoiding Faye for. The worst injuries she's inflicted have been play punches that the recipients seem not to care about or outright accept.
Oh no quick everyone start yelling about how Dora is also abusive omgomg.
a comic that is mostly realistic
I agree with you on some points - I just found it very entertaining that after there had been this long discussion about Faye's violence, Dora went on to bruise Marten in the next strip. I think the problem is that with the exception of this whole violent and abusive thing that mainly the women have going - with coffee being poured on CoD customers and those customers generally being treated like dirt, Faye punching people, others punching people, etc - the interaction and relations in the strip are realistically portrayed. Yes, I know, little talking robots, but there's a difference between a story in a fantastical setting were the portrayal of people and their interaction is still realistic, and a story with cartoonish relationships and over-the-top comic actions such as random punchings. When the rest of the way the characters relate to each other is portrayed realistically, violence that belongs in a more simple, cartoonish dynamic seems out-of-place. But I think we simply have to accept that discrepancy, and that "friendly" bruising punches dealt by the QC cast is not meant to be seen as actual abuse. Whether or not it's funny is another question entirely, and I pretty much agree that "women punching men is funny, men punching women is TERRIBLE" is a sexist attitude, but it's not one Jeph is alone in.Oh no quick everyone start yelling about how Dora is also abusive omgomg.
Ok, you know what? I give up. I think this strip proves that rather than the punching being Faye's problem, the real issue behind it is that Jeph just thinks that women hitting men is funny somehow. And although "over the top violence" is an old gag frequently used in many comics, Jeph exacerbates it by putting it into a comic that is mostly realistic, and having the violence result in actual bruising that isn't a one-panel throwaway gag. As such, I can't hold Faye-the-character responsible for it, and just have to strongly disagree with Jeph on this particular idea.
Seriously. I do not find it funny. At all. I find it very unpleasant and uncomfortable, and it makes me dislike the characters. Maybe others don't feel the same way, but I do.
(And if the whole idea was to keep the whole thing a secret from Marigold to begin with, none of them are being good friends o her.)I think the whole idea was to wait for the right moment, and to find the right way to inform her. It's easy, from our point of view, to overlook how touchy and complicated such a situation can be, especially now that their course of action backfired spectacularly, but let's try and figure out what else they could have done: tough stuff.
a comic that is mostly realistic
wut
...ketamine?!I vaguely knew it was a veterinary anaesthetic, but I had to look up its other uses.
Seriously. I do not find it funny. At all. I find it very unpleasant and uncomfortable, and it makes me dislike the characters. Maybe others don't feel the same way, but I do.How fortunate we are to have you to keep us on the straight and narrow.
What guy wouldn't expect a hit to the arm (at least) after a comment like that?Agreed.
im confused, how is marten and idiot and at fault? :|yeah, i'm wondering the same thing
Wednesday: Cosette punches Steve, misses him, hits a wall, and breaks her wrist and six phalanxesFix'd it for you.
Well honestly I would hope that my significant other could actually see the humor in telling me not to say something stupid and then saying something stupid that OBVIOUSLY was intended solely as a joke and not a statement of fact.
But again, if he doesn't have a problem with it, then whatever works for him.
OK, I've been wondering this for two days now...
When Faye punched Angus, everyone fixated on the punching.
But Faye had said, "He deserved it..."
We don't know what stupid/snarky/thoughtless thing Angus said to Faye, and quite frankly, Marten's attempt at being funny would earn any of us males-in-a-relationship a punch.
Maybe Angus did deserve it...?
a comic that is mostly realistic
wut
You know. As opposed to this:
One in which inoffensive Marten beat a kung-fu monk senseless with a frying-pan, and Steve blew up a volcano.
Seriously. I do not find it funny. At all. I find it very unpleasant and uncomfortable, and it makes me dislike the characters. Maybe others don't feel the same way, but I do.
Because he made the first somewhat thoughtless remark about Angus and Faye that Tai explained to Marigold. And it's a thing my wife calls me out on as well...
It's a cartoon
It's a comedy and drama, populated with characters who have clear and realistic personalities, which is represented as a cartoon. Discussion of the behavior of fictional characters is something you can get a degree in: dismissing doing so because "it's just a cartoon" is a prejudiced refusal to acknowledge that a comic strip is a valid storytelling medium.
It's a comedy and drama, populated with characters who have clear and realistic personalities, which is represented as a cartoon.
Question: Most Likely to Do Something Incredibly Embarassing/Stupid This Week
Incidentally, I think Angus maybe got too physically close to Faye, since she reacts most often with violence when that happens.
All I can think is that that would result in Jimbo writing yaoi. And that would be awesomely terrible.QuoteQuestion: Most Likely to Do Something Incredibly Embarassing/Stupid This Week
Likely person: Tai.
Something stupid: Introduce Marigold to Jimbo.
Especially now, when it seems unlikely to have Angus around to remind Marigold that she can do better.
And getting emotional over such nonexistent people is, I think, an excellent sign of Jeph's storytelling skills. To become emotionally invested in the characters shows that Jeph has brought them to life, in a way.That's what I was trying to say, only you put it better.
All I can think is that that would result in Jimbo writing yaoi. And that would be awesomely terrible.QuoteQuestion: Most Likely to Do Something Incredibly Embarassing/Stupid This Week
Likely person: Tai.
Something stupid: Introduce Marigold to Jimbo.
Especially now, when it seems unlikely to have Angus around to remind Marigold that she can do better.
Do we want to talk about reality? So hey, BP's gulf oil spill is likely killing hundreds of different species and the region will never recover. Meanwhile, the middle east is on day 52,427 of 'oh god oh god everythings going to shit', McDonalds is recalling novelty Shrek glasses because they're apparently tainted with deadly cadmium, and the world economies in general are still tanking as they have been for what seems like more than a year. On the plus side, Lady Gaga's new video apparently killed both twitter and youtube for a little while today, so that's funny...
How fortunate we are to have you to keep us on the straight and narrow.
Quote from: many peopleIt's a cartoon
It's a comedy and drama, populated with characters who have clear and realistic personalities, which is represented as a cartoon. Discussion of the behavior of fictional characters is something you can get a degree in: dismissing doing so because "it's just a cartoon" is a prejudiced refusal to acknowledge that a comic strip is a valid storytelling medium.
No, the whining is due to one character lightly punching another in the arm.
Do we want to talk about reality? So hey, BP's gulf oil spill is likely killing hundreds of different species and the region will never recover. Meanwhile, the middle east is on day 52,427 of 'oh god oh god everythings going to shit', McDonalds is recalling novelty Shrek glasses because they're apparently tainted with deadly cadmium, and the world economies in general are still tanking as they have been for what seems like more than a year.
Oh right, of course, how could I forget, we are not allowed to complain or be concerned about anything as long as there is something else that could be considered More Important on the horizon! People in the US should really stop bothering with abortion rights and gay marriage issues because gays and women in other countries have it much worse and we should worry about that first! Also, complaining to your friends about your bad boss is not allowed because other people don't even have a job. And really, what are we all even doing wasting our time posting on this forum when we should be dedicating every extra bit of energy and mental effort trying to find a cure for cancer and AIDS?!!
Coming from someone who bruises all. the. damn. time. from even the littlest stuff: bruises suck. They are tender and sore and can take forever to go away.
and she leaves painful bruises
Err anything Jimbo writes is terrible, so what ?All I can think is that that would result in Jimbo writing yaoi. And that would be awesomely terrible.QuoteQuestion: Most Likely to Do Something Incredibly Embarassing/Stupid This Week
Likely person: Tai.
Something stupid: Introduce Marigold to Jimbo.
Especially now, when it seems unlikely to have Angus around to remind Marigold that she can do better.
It would be terrible in new and exciting ways.Err anything Jimbo writes is terrible, so what ?All I can think is that that would result in Jimbo writing yaoi. And that would be awesomely terrible.QuoteQuestion: Most Likely to Do Something Incredibly Embarassing/Stupid This Week
Likely person: Tai.
Something stupid: Introduce Marigold to Jimbo.
Especially now, when it seems unlikely to have Angus around to remind Marigold that she can do better.
with a person who might hit her back, Faye does not punch, and definitely not forcefully enough to bruise. So... she only punches the guys, because they can't hit back? Not cool.I agree with you 100%, I complained of Faye's one-sided violence a few weeks ago. But I thought of something: Jeph mixes in elements from lots of places, like the cartoons we grew up with, where characters are beaten to pulps and come back next scene good as new. When I picture Faye's punchings in the real world, I'm offended and angry at the brusings and the double-standards. I've already said someone should punch her back, but look at the shitstorm that might cause.
However, I'm not sure leaving Pintsize in the bedroom was that good an idea. Who knows what he'll do to it whilst they're not there?Well ... if it where my droid, I would just have removed the batteries.
It's a comedy and drama, populated with characters who have clear and realistic personalities, which is represented as a cartoon. Discussion of the behavior of fictional characters is something you can get a degree in: dismissing doing so because "it's just a cartoon" is a prejudiced refusal to acknowledge that a comic strip is a valid storytelling medium.
However, I'm not sure leaving Pintsize in the bedroom was that good an idea. Who knows what he'll do to it whilst they're not there?Well ... if it where my droid, I would just have removed the batteries.
Either I'm too old or not well versed in things, but what's with the "Call Faye A Nazi" reference in the title?
Only thing I can think of is "Godwin'ed", but that's gotta be the most oblique reference ever.
I think his first response was appropriate, until he freaked out about it when questioned on it.
.....
Sadly, instead of being quick on his feet to say something like that, he started sputtering.
.....
I still don't think Marten deserved Dora criticizing him like that, both when calling him an idiot and telling him not to say anything else stupid for the rest of the night.
Marigold defines the word 'pitiful'. See also 'pathetic'.
Not to be completely mean, but she's sitting there at the front of the apartment complex having her own personal pity party. Almost makes me want to slap her.
Marigold defines the word 'pitiful'. See also 'pathetic'.
Not to be completely mean, but she's sitting there at the front of the apartment complex having her own personal pity party. Almost makes me want to slap her.
No she doesn't. She's just having a rough time and it probably all came as a shock.
If she's still moping in a day or two, then she's being pathetic.
If you want to slap someone, slap one of the people that tried to hide this from her.
Well ... if it where my droid, I would just have removed the batteries.It is possible to turn Pintsize off, but although Marten has threatened it he never actually does it. Maybe it's unpleasant to AnthroPCs to be turned off (hey, look how we react to the prospect!) and Marten is too softhearted.
A world filled with flying vacuum-cleaners, sentient robots, samurai squirrel-duels, roaming kung-fu monks, James Bond-style supervillains, pocket-sized laser cannnon, private space-stations, and mysterious scarred Russian vamps is not realistic.I said realistic personalities, not realistic in general. Faye, for example, reminds me of a girlfriend I had when I was 16.
Not to be completely mean, but she's sitting there at the front of the apartment complex having her own personal pity party. Almost makes me want to slap her.Like Faye outside the coffee shop (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=340).
Was it really anybody's obligation to tell Marigold that Angus was interested in Faye? She had every right to know that Angus wasn't into her That Way, but that should have been sufficient.
Marigold seems to be taking it well and it looks like Dora wasn't lying when she said she could handle it. Considering how maternal Dora is (both here and when Hanners was ill), I think she would make a good mother (as much as she likes to deny that she wants one).
Either I'm too old or not well versed in things, but what's with the "Call Faye A Nazi" reference in the title?
Only thing I can think of is "Godwin'ed", but that's gotta be the most oblique reference ever.
I'm pretty sure it is relating to Godwinning in reference to internet drama at the end. As in, if this was the internet, this would turn into a flame war.
Was it really anybody's obligation to tell Marigold that Angus was interested in Faye? She had every right to know that Angus wasn't into her That Way, but that should have been sufficient.
On Faye hitting girls, does a sister count: http://questionablecontent.net/comics/617.pngYep this was brought up a couple of times. She also did not do anything violent to Sven after he ceased being monogomous, both counter the "Faye is a violent person" thing (although people are dismissing the sister for some reason).
Because that's about where she is in terms of life experience.
Still, just because she's emotionally and socially stunted doesn't mean we should simply treat her as a child. She is an adult, and the other characters need to start treating her like one instead of playing to this facade she keeps putting up.You're first admitting she may indeed be stunted, then you assume it's a facade. WTF?
Will you stop contradicting yourself, please, Tuitsuro? It makes it difficult to debate rationally.
You're first admitting she may indeed be stunted, then you assume it's a facade. WTF?
I strongly suspect that only very little of her mood is due to being the last to know and blaming the rest. A big chunk of it is likely having viewed Faye as a friend to some degree -- one of the few times she's let someone in, emotionally, and only very recently, to boot -- and now feels betrayed, whether or not it is warranted. She confessed her interest in Angus to The Girl Who Was Already Chasing Him! Not to mention, The Girl Who Already Pretty Much Got Him! (She doesn't know much of their history, after all, so this is likely her perception.) So likely a heaping helping of embarassment in there, to boot, especially if she's been thinking about her recent attempts to convince Angus to reconsider.Marigold defines the word 'pitiful'. See also 'pathetic'.
Not to be completely mean, but she's sitting there at the front of the apartment complex having her own personal pity party. Almost makes me want to slap her.
No she doesn't. She's just having a rough time and it probably all came as a shock.
If she's still moping in a day or two, then she's being pathetic.
If you want to slap someone, slap one of the people that tried to hide this from her.
Running away instead of being up front about how she felt about it and having an actual discussion with the people she's offended by is what makes her pathetic.
Okay, really, what is it people see in jiggly/squished boobs? Really? They just look like globs of fat in those cases.Err ... Boobs ARE globs of fat. Mostly, anyway.
Err ... Boobs ARE globs of fat. Mostly, anyway.Pretty much. But for some women, they're mostly silicone.
Although also, man, that haircut is just not the most flattering.As I said a week or so ago.
Seriously. How do you not KNOW you have a nice rack? She's pretty much an invalid, spending all her time on the 'net, even if she's not outright pornsurfing, she has to run into some pictures of what people consider "attractive" women, you're telling me Mari never got a look at one of these women, felt kinda inadequate at first, then caught her silouette on the wall, or a side glance of herself in the mirror, and said "Hey..........fuck, I'm HUGE. Where'd those come from?"
Well, Jeph's said he finds drawing Dora difficult. I would say that he's drawing her eyes too small, and her jaw/cheeks too round. A rounder face looks good on Faye and Marigold, who have different proportions and longer hair to frame their faces, but on Dora it just looks out of balance and like her lower face is swollen. And a round jaw in combination with the small eyes and short hair makes her look unnecessarily butch.
See?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/Katranna/Drawings/DoraBora.jpg)
Although also, man, that haircut is just not the most flattering.
Lol. You're a guy, right? That's REALLY not how women with insecurity issues see themselves.I'm astounded to find myself agreeing with Jack :laugh:, but yeah. And actually we all have insecurity issues.
the territory of objectifying women.
also, ditch the heteronormativity a smidge. and nobody bring up Tai, because that's pure tokenism.
Kudos to Jeph for making a big-boob joke that's actually rather touching, and working in Dora's "up front" pun too. As someone said above, the Marigold-drawing is excellent.Lol. You're a guy, right? That's REALLY not how women with insecurity issues see themselves.I'm astounded to find myself agreeing with Jack :laugh:, but yeah. And actually we all have insecurity issues.
Kudos to Jeph for making a big-boob joke that's actually rather touching, and working in Dora's "up front" pun too. As someone said above, the Marigold-drawing is excellent.Lol. You're a guy, right? That's REALLY not how women with insecurity issues see themselves.I'm astounded to find myself agreeing with Jack :laugh:, but yeah. And actually we all have insecurity issues.
Hey, I'm not that evil. :-P Plus I only remember that one time we've disagreed! Snubnose is my nemesis on these boards.
As for the poster above--I gotta say, in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists (male and female)? Jeph's focus on breasts is minimal.
Also, note that "in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists" doesn't address whether or not Jeph's focus on breasts is harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms, but rather, avoids the issue entirely and points out that there are more heinous offenders. In one sense, it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, since they are probably less likely to revel in the misogyny. In another sense, wrong is wrong, whether or not other people are worse. So, either way, I think my criticism stands.
Lastly, I think that first comic you included is at least plausibly read as commentary on (rather than mere participation in) gender norms and the sexual-objectification of women.
..." harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms "
.... it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, ...
Hey, Stevelore, as others are (and will continue) pointing out to you, very many of us LIKE boobage in our webcomics.
Quote..." harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms "?????????????? As liberal and open-minded as Jeph has been? NOT EVEN PLAUSIBLE.
Also, note that "in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists" doesn't address whether or not Jeph's focus on breasts is harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms, but rather, avoids the issue entirely and points out that there are more heinous offenders. In one sense, it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, since they are probably less likely to revel in the misogyny. In another sense, wrong is wrong, whether or not other people are worse. So, either way, I think my criticism stands.
I will respectfully disagree. I find QC to be one of the comics that objectifies women the least, AND presents a variety of body types and shapes. Most women in QC are modestly-to-moderately-sized, chest-wise (which is refreshing all in itself, lemme tell ya). The way it does talk about breasts, when it talks about them, strikes me as realistic and reflecting my own experiences among women. And it's mostly female characters (not always, but mostly) who talk about breasts.QuoteLastly, I think that first comic you included is at least plausibly read as commentary on (rather than mere participation in) gender norms and the sexual-objectification of women.
Yeah, but that comic talks a LOT about Jamie's breasts and how great they are, and the art routinely draws the viewer's focus to them.
Is it having fun with the subject? Yeah. It's also quite reveling in looking at Jamie's breasts and presenting them to be looked at. But that's not always bad, and I think QC is even less objectionable on this front.
On your first comment (to the effect that Jeph portrays a wider range of body types than usual), I have to disagree, there are basically two (maybe two and a half) body-types represented among women, the Dora/Hanners/Raven/Penelope body type, and the Marigold/Faye body type (the "and a half" is that I can see not quite putting penelope with Dora and Hanners). Anyway, the representation of various body types is a separate issue, and I wasn't meaning to rag on Jeph for the body types he chose to portray, but for the way in which the comic has started focusing on those choices.
On your first comment (to the effect that Jeph portrays a wider range of body types than usual), I have to disagree, there are basically two (maybe two and a half) body-types represented among women, the Dora/Hanners/Raven/Penelope body type, and the Marigold/Faye body type (the "and a half" is that I can see not quite putting penelope with Dora and Hanners). Anyway, the representation of various body types is a separate issue, and I wasn't meaning to rag on Jeph for the body types he chose to portray, but for the way in which the comic has started focusing on those choices.Err what ?
... prudish, censorship mentality [...] shut down online freedoms too.
[...] But if you can't enjoy creative expression without trying to censor it, JUST STOP. GO AWAY.
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Awww, today's comic is cute. Dora is surprisingly good at this!Running away instead of being up front about how she felt about it and having an actual discussion with the people she's offended by is what makes her pathetic.
I'm confused by your interpretation of events.
1. I don't see why "running away" is bad here: it's allowable to take some time out to process new information before acting, and in fact smart, and that's what I see Marigold doing. She got some new information that threw her for a loop, it hurt her and sent her emotions reeling, so she went outside to sit down where she wasn't under the eyes of everybody and let herself deal with the pain and think a little and sort herself out. I didn't realize that "maturity" required one to process all one's emotions in public all the time.
2. Why would she need to be upfront about how she feels with anyone? If anything, that seems to be a bad idea. She feels hurt and betrayed. She also recognizes that nobody meant to either hurt or betray her. Her feelings are not invalid, but they are also not anyone's business--if anything, telling Faye or Angus how she feels would be inflicting unnecessary discomfort on them. This is the kind of situation where you take stock of your emotions and sort them out on your own, or with a friend. Some things are just your own problem, and so long as you realize that, it's best to keep it to yourself while you work it out. Example: a mother finds out that her son is gay. She thinks she's ok with it until he brings his boyfriend home, and she feels disgusted when she sees them kissing goodbye outside. This is not a case for her to tell either her son or his boyfriend about her feelings--this is precisely a case where she needs to take a personal breather, or call a friend, and try to figure out how she can be supportive of her son while acknowledging (to herself, not to him) her discomfort. I see Marigold's discomfort with the Faye/Angus situation as similar in terms of how much of Marigold's feelings need to be shared.
3. I don't think she's offended by anyone, just hurt. And no one really did anything offensive, except for Faye thinking this party was a good idea, and that's more "stupid" than "intentionally hurtful" anyway. And since no one wanted to hurt her or did anything offensive, I don't see why she's supposed to offer her emotions up on a platter rather than be allowed her privacy.
I'm a bitch!
On your first comment (to the effect that Jeph portrays a wider range of body types than usual), I have to disagree, there are basically two (maybe two and a half) body-types represented among women, the Dora/Hanners/Raven/Penelope body type, and the Marigold/Faye body type (the "and a half" is that I can see not quite putting penelope with Dora and Hanners). Anyway, the representation of various body types is a separate issue, and I wasn't meaning to rag on Jeph for the body types he chose to portray, but for the way in which the comic has started focusing on those choices.
Really? Uh. I don't know what body type you are, but I very much disagree on putting several of those women into the same category.
1. Dora/Hanners: skinny straight-up-and-down, leggy, small-perky breasts.
2. Penelope: slender, most "normative-ideal" shape, with average breasts and hip width, very evenly proportioned.
3. Raven: voluptuous, with generous curves and some flesh on her.
4. Faye/Marigold: busty, but pear-shaped, with ample hips and thighs, heavier in weight.
5. Tai: boyish.
Plus the various background ladies, who (happily!) mostly have some kind of variation on a pear-shape, as most women in fact do. To me, as someone who HAS been insecure about my body, it is very nice to see the range of shapes represented. The only drawback is that we haven't had any fat characters.
To this, if anything, what we have is dearth of representation of men. We have... tall and skinny (Sven, Dale, Marten, Angus) and... tall and slightly-less-skinny (Steve). And maybe short-and-skinny.
And again, despite what some other people have to say, I think the boob talk has been pretty modest. And there has been talk of men's asses and pecs and I'm very very grateful to Jeph for the way he portrayed Sven, and that he did not shy away from sexyfying him on occasion. (I'd say Sven was far more often objectified in the comic throughout their relationship than Faye was.)
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You should spend more time being offended by Marigold's character "development" after drawing parallels between her relationships with Angus and Faye compared to Marten's track in his relationships with Faye and Dora (short version: the guy pretty quickly gets over himself and dates someone else; the chick refuses to take the hint and is becoming steadily more unstable/unlikeable).
The fact that she is still pining away over Angus to the point where the very notion of him flirting with someone else causes her to flee the area is objectively damning when it comes to talking about how mature she is.
Well, Jeph's said he finds drawing Dora difficult. I would say that he's drawing her eyes too small, and her jaw/cheeks too round. A rounder face looks good on Faye and Marigold, who have different proportions and longer hair to frame their faces, but on Dora it just looks out of balance and like her lower face is swollen. And a round jaw in combination with the small eyes and short hair makes her look unnecessarily butch.I know Jeph has a PITA time trying to draw her, but I'm thinking she's closer to the one on the right. Angular, thinner face with a longer nose.
See?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/Katranna/Drawings/DoraBora.jpg)
Although also, man, that haircut is just not the most flattering.
The fact that she is still pining away over Angus to the point where the very notion of him flirting with someone else causes her to flee the area is objectively damning when it comes to talking about how mature she is.
Oh please. She had a crush on him, a fairly strong one by all indications. And now very recently after being let down, she is faced with "He didn't want me because he wants another girl" And that stings like fuck all. Trying to portray seeking a moment of away time to compose herself as some sort of sign of emotional immaturity is ridiculous.
you still think Marten (or anybody else) should have babied Marigold and told her about Angus going after Faye?
Well, Jeph's said he finds drawing Dora difficult. I would say that he's drawing her eyes too small, and her jaw/cheeks too round. A rounder face looks good on Faye and Marigold, who have different proportions and longer hair to frame their faces, but on Dora it just looks out of balance and like her lower face is swollen. And a round jaw in combination with the small eyes and short hair makes her look unnecessarily butch.
See?
*Image Snipped*
Although also, man, that haircut is just not the most flattering.
"...I don't think Marigold is really like that* (and last thing my comic needs is yet another super-detached female character who is constantly self-analyzing and quipping about everything she says)."
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You should spend more time being offended by Marigold's character "development" after drawing parallels between her relationships with Angus and Faye compared to Marten's track in his relationships with Faye and Dora (short version: the guy pretty quickly gets over himself and dates someone else; the chick refuses to take the hint and is becoming steadily more unstable/unlikeable).
Actually, it's spelled "Stevelore".
The fact that she is still pining away over Angus to the point where the very notion of him flirting with someone else causes her to flee the area is objectively damning when it comes to talking about how mature she is.
Oh please. She had a crush on him, a fairly strong one by all indications. And now very recently after being let down, she is faced with "He didn't want me because he wants another girl" And that stings like fuck all. Trying to portray seeking a moment of away time to compose herself as some sort of sign of emotional immaturity is ridiculous.
Odin:The fact that she is still pining away over Angus to the point where the very notion of him flirting with someone else causes her to flee the area is objectively damning when it comes to talking about how mature she is.
Oh please. She had a crush on him, a fairly strong one by all indications. And now very recently after being let down, she is faced with "He didn't want me because he wants another girl" And that stings like fuck all. Trying to portray seeking a moment of away time to compose herself as some sort of sign of emotional immaturity is ridiculous.
Agreed. So is saying that she's a "hyper-sensitive attention-whoring bitch" for being offended, when you're the only one who's saying she's offended in the first place. (The comic certainly doesn't.)
But you, uh, seem to have an issue in this particular debate at arguing against points that you're making up yourself--for instance, I never said that anyone was obligated to tell Marigold about Faye and Angus, so I have no idea what you're talking about here:Quoteyou still think Marten (or anybody else) should have babied Marigold and told her about Angus going after Faye?
Another point: when people run out of a party to sit by themselves on the porch, they usually do that because they're trying to escape attention.
Going up to Faye and Angus and yelling at them about it would have been immature. What she's doing? Totally fine.
I'm kinda wondering a lot now what Marigold will do now.
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.
I'm kinda wondering a lot now what Marigold will do now.
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.
Not necessarily - having giant boobs does not make you absolutely irresistible. I am sure we all know plenty of large-busted women (who range from thin to fat) that have trouble getting the men (or women) they want. Also there are people who just like smaller boobs.
Personally I like just enough for a handful, even though I have large hands for a girl, that still only makes it about a C-D cup. Otherwise they are just overwhelming!
Oh and just to throw my opinion in there about the "breasts in the comic" debate, I think there is nothing wrong with Jeph's depiction. All the characters are young, still experimenting a bit in their romantic lives, it is only natural to talk quite a bit about physically attractive features. We also know that Dora is very open about her interest in other people both male and female so this is hardly a new character trait. I do not think very many people at that point in their lives really sit around and think about whether what they say is or is not encouraging objectification of any gender.
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.
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You should spend more time being offended by Marigold's character "development" after drawing parallels between her relationships with Angus and Faye compared to Marten's track in his relationships with Faye and Dora (short version: the guy pretty quickly gets over himself and dates someone else; the chick refuses to take the hint and is becoming steadily more unstable/unlikeable).
Actually, it's spelled "Stevelore".
Care to actually respond to my point, or are you just going to stick with validating it?
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You should spend more time being offended by Marigold's character "development" after drawing parallels between her relationships with Angus and Faye compared to Marten's track in his relationships with Faye and Dora (short version: the guy pretty quickly gets over himself and dates someone else; the chick refuses to take the hint and is becoming steadily more unstable/unlikeable).
Actually, it's spelled "Stevelore".
Care to actually respond to my point, or are you just going to stick with validating it?
Oh, see, when your point began by calling me a bitch, I sort of figured it wasn't worth reading what you had to say.
I take today's page to be a step toward the fulfillment of Yelling Bird's prophecy. :lol:"AND THEN EVERYONE FUCKED"? that one?
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.Get, yes, frequently that is true. Keep? Now that's quite another kettle of fish. And the kind of guy who'll follow you home just because of your DD chest generally stinks worse (metaphorically speaking) than that same kettle of fish. I strongly doubt that Marbear would really be happy at all with a string of one-night stands, despite her desperate belief that at least that would be better than nothing.
I'm kinda wondering a lot now what Marigold will do now.
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.
Thas da one!I take today's page to be a step toward the fulfillment of Yelling Bird's prophecy. :lol:"AND THEN EVERYONE FUCKED"? that one?
Hey, I'm not that evil. :-P Plus I only remember that one time we've disagreed! Snubnose is my nemesis on these boards.Godsdammit. I thought I was your nemesis.
I'm kinda wondering a lot now what Marigold will do now.
I mean, even she should know that a woman with such an "equipment" can basically get any man she wants.
1.Every girl I know with big boobs hates them. Also big =/= nice. I'm happy with my B/C cup since they are fairly perky and round; I would definitely not trade them for a full C/D, or anything beyond, at the risk of them being saggy or just plain gauche and tacky (which is how I see fake boobs).
THOSE AREN'T BOOBS! THEY'RE LIES!
although she could easily use them to get some man.
Ummm... actually, the "man she wants" is Angus, and he turned her down. With his hand on said boobage.But Caaarrllll! Faye has large, American breasts*, too! That's obviously it. Can't be that he likes, I don't know, talking to Faye, or something. Because Angus has never carried on about enjoying witty banter, comebacks, and general sass, has he? That must be some other comic.
What comic have you been reading, anyway?
The fact that she is still pining away over Angus to the point where the very notion of him flirting with someone else causes her to flee the area is objectively damning when it comes to talking about how mature she is.
Oh please. She had a crush on him, a fairly strong one by all indications. And now very recently after being let down, she is faced with "He didn't want me because he wants another girl" And that stings like fuck all. Trying to portray seeking a moment of away time to compose herself as some sort of sign of emotional immaturity is ridiculous.
Ummm... actually, the "man she wants" is Angus, and he turned her down. With his hand on said boobage.But Caaarrllll! Faye has large, American breasts*, too! That's obviously it. Can't be that he likes, I don't know, talking to Faye, or something. Because Angus has never carried on about enjoying witty banter, comebacks, and general sass, has he? That must be some other comic.
What comic have you been reading, anyway?
Okay, back to the sweatshop with me.
*Anyone else remember the TW&CGs (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77afestrunks.phtml)?
You must not know the men I know.Uh, I probably do, but I never actually spent much thought on what other men look for in a women.
I hope this was sarcasm. I have a body shape like Raven. This is definitely not true, nor do I want it to.Hmm, you dont want to be able to freely choose whatever spouse you would like to have ?
Uh, I dont think I'm very qualified to be anyones "nemesis", anyway. So if you want that position, go ahead.Hey, I'm not that evil. :-P Plus I only remember that one time we've disagreed! Snubnose is my nemesis on these boards.Godsdammit. I thought I was your nemesis.
Ummm... actually, the "man she wants" is Angus, and he turned her down. With his hand on said boobage.Didnt he thought something like "whow, boobs" ?
Oh. My. God. You didnt. You just didnt !THOSE AREN'T BOOBS! THEY'RE LIES!What about make-up?
As the artificial boob argument is going on I figure I should say in fairness that guys aren't above trying for personal enhancement. Otherwise all those commercials with the creepy smile people for pills that promise to increase size wouldn't be on so often.
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Also, average cup size in the USA: B. Average cup size in the UK: D.
and people go on about "beeg amereecan tee-tees." :roll:
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You forgot "Bristols", "Baps", "Bust", "Bosoms" and "Ta-tas".
Also, average cup size in the USA: B. Average cup size in the UK: D.
and people go on about "beeg amereecan tee-tees." :roll:
But are the sizing conventions the same in both countries?
The average shoe size is larger in America than the UK. And the fuel economy for a car in the UK is better than the fuel economy for the same car in the US. And don't forget that an ounce of gunpowder weighs more than an ounce of feathers, but a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gunpowder. Want to guess the similarities between all of these situations?mams busoms dirtypillows cans tatas puppies boobs hoochemamas pair bazooms milkers bits titties busoms dependants funbags bazongas breasts melons jugs hooters tits balcony tracts-of-land tetons
You forgot "Bristols", "Baps", "Bust", "Bosoms" and "Ta-tas".
Also, average cup size in the USA: B. Average cup size in the UK: D.
and people go on about "beeg amereecan tee-tees." :roll:
And don't forget that an ounce of gunpowder weighs more than an ounce of feathers, but a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gunpowder.
although she could easily use them to get some man.Thing is, all a girl needs to get SOME man is to be willing, and undiscriminating. It matters very little what you look like: if you put it out there, and you're willing to go with any potential taker, you'll get a guy.
"You know how a woman gets a man excited? She shows up. That's it. We're guys, we're easy."
- Harrison Ford, Six Days And Seven Nights
As the artificial boob argument is going on I figure I should say in fairness that guys aren't above trying for personal enhancement. Otherwise all those commercials with the creepy smile people for pills that promise to increase size wouldn't be on so often.The interesting thing about that is that that particular enhancement... ALSO seems to be aimed at men. I'm female, and size (barring freakishly small or large (ow), which both seem quite rare) really isn't important to me. I also have never personally met a woman to whom it mattered (again, outside of the rare extremes; you can always have too much of anything). I'm sure they're out there, but this does not seem to be on the average woman's list of priorities. When women moan in porn "Oh, you're so biiiig" -- remember, porn is 95% designed for men, and what's said/done/scripted is rarely what a woman is actually thinking, just what will appeal to the guys watching. Women learn to say it in real life to stroke their guy's ego and then that feeds the myth.
Ok, so, maybe its just me, and if that's the case, I'll shut up, but:
Blackjoker must live in the U.S. I can't recall the product, but I do remember the guy smirking (my SO hates that smirk) that the "extra size? That's kind of fun, too."As the artificial boob argument is going on I figure I should say in fairness that guys aren't above trying for personal enhancement. Otherwise all those commercials with the creepy smile people for pills that promise to increase size wouldn't be on so often.
What country do you live in? The only commercials about those types of pills we get here are the ones about keeping it up longer (with the fast-talk at the end about how if it stays up for longer than four hours, go to a hospital before things start rupturing).
Tatas is in there, thanks. So I forgot the hyphen. Isch ga-bibble. As for the others, I didn't imagine I had an exhaustive list. Makes me think of a line from No Small Affair.mams busoms dirtypillows cans tatas puppies boobs hoochemamas pair bazooms milkers bits titties busoms dependants funbags bazongas breasts melons jugs hooters tits balcony tracts-of-land tetons
You forgot "Bristols", "Baps", "Bust", "Bosoms" and "Ta-tas".
Also, average cup size in the USA: B. Average cup size in the UK: D.
and people go on about "beeg amereecan tee-tees." :roll:
*Snip* bosoms is in there twice, just misspelled.If you ever heard anyone say bazooms, you'd know that's not true. And if it sounds like bosoms, they're not doing it right.
Or is Marten simply a facilitator? Or just not paying attention to detail?
Could become a "Seemed like a good idea at the time" moment.
Bristols?
As the artificial boob argument is going on I figure I should say in fairness that guys aren't above trying for personal enhancement. Otherwise all those commercials with the creepy smile people for pills that promise to increase size wouldn't be on so often.Haven't you noticed a distinct absence of Smilin' Bob from the boob tube? (Sorry, hadda use "boob tube" in this thread.) The Enzyte people were sued over the fact that multiple scientific studies have shown their "proprietary" "herbal" "natural" con-cock-tion (Sorry, sorry, I'll stop that.) didn't do anything that it claimed, and so they were forced by the FDA to stop advertizing any of those claims, which is basicly their entire claim.
"You know how a woman gets a man excited? She shows up. That's it. We're guys, we're easy."Refresh my memory. Was that before, during, or after he had his hands down Anne Heche's shorts and Anne told him, "I better not catch you smiling."
- Harrison Ford, Six Days And Seven Nights
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Also, average cup size in the USA: B. Average cup size in the UK: D.
and people go on about "beeg amereecan tee-tees." :roll:
But are the sizing conventions the same in both countries?
And I love that Marten thought putting Angus and Faye in Time-Out in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka He Who Would Be Porn King and Future Wanglord. :lol: Not that it looks like anything's gonna happen, it's just among the things that are funny in that last shot.No, he put them in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka "The universe could undergo heat death and it would still be too soon." Moreover, he put the little bugger IN CHARGE.
The average shoe size is larger in America than the UK. And the fuel economy for a car in the UK is better than the fuel economy for the same car in the US.Shoe sizes! Don't get me started! In Australia we have a mixture of UK, Americain, and "European" (originally French) systems. At least the Euro system is obviously different, but American and UK sizes look the same while actually differing by anything from half (men) to two-and-a-half (for women, roughly) sizes:
Shoe sizes! Don't get me started! In Australia we have a mixture of UK, Americain, and "European" (originally French) systems. At least the Euro system is obviously different, but American and UK sizes look the same while actually differing by anything from half (men) to two-and-a-half (for women, roughly) sizes:
Or is Marten simply a facilitator? Or just not paying attention to detail?
Could become a "Seemed like a good idea at the time" moment.
Other than directing a continuous stream of icewater at them, I'm not sure. But Marten should've made sure Pintsize had a monitor so he could show 'em his 'collection.'And I love that Marten thought putting Angus and Faye in Time-Out in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka He Who Would Be Porn King and Future Wanglord. :lol: Not that it looks like anything's gonna happen, it's just among the things that are funny in that last shot.No, he put them in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka "The universe could undergo heat death and it would still be too soon." Moreover, he put the little bugger IN CHARGE.
What better way to ensure that Nothing Will Happen? :D
Other than directing a continuous stream of icewater at them, I'm not sure. But Marten should've made sure Pintsize had a monitor so he could show 'em his 'collection.'And I love that Marten thought putting Angus and Faye in Time-Out in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka He Who Would Be Porn King and Future Wanglord. :lol: Not that it looks like anything's gonna happen, it's just among the things that are funny in that last shot.No, he put them in a bedroom with Pintsize, aka "The universe could undergo heat death and it would still be too soon." Moreover, he put the little bugger IN CHARGE.
What better way to ensure that Nothing Will Happen? :D
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Yeah, it's a mess, that is why I don't buy shoes online. It usually takes me 20 minutes to find the right size shoe. Thankfully I don't go shoe shopping often.
I'm glad Marigirl says she's OK now, but she sure seems like someone whose self-esteem problems run way deeper than can be fixed with a few social outings.
That neglect of grooming and maintenance of living space could be absent-mindedness, could be cluelessness, but it's also a classic symptom of clinical depression.
The funny thing is, even in the US, Converse are measured in UK sizes. And they are an American company.
JackFaerie,
You do realise that the Daily Mail is a tabloid and, as such, has less veracity than a politician? Hell, I would even pay more attention to what Dubya says than a British tabloid!
I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Converse might not be quite UK sizes, but all three pairs I looked at in my size range matched UK sizing, it could just be coincidental and their own in-house measurements just match UK sizes at that point. They definitely aren't normal US shoe sizing, though.The funny thing is, even in the US, Converse are measured in UK sizes. And they are an American company.
They're not. A size 7 womens = a size 5 mens. If I buy men's sneakers in the US, they are always a size 5.
Not true! No one knows how magnets work, but it's a question that's been asked time immemorial. In fact, I often find myself wondering how fuckin' magnets work.Magnetic fields occur whenever electrons move. Since electrons are constantly in motion about their respective nucleae, there are always magnetic fields. If the atom has an even number of electrons, then in the aggregate, for every electron orbitting in one direction, there's an electron orbitting in exactly the opposite direction and there is no net magnetic field, as the magnetic fields of the two electrons cancel each other out.
Wait, wait, wait. You mean the damned things fuck? Why has no one ever warned me about this? I mean, I have several of them on my fridge door right now. Have they been…copulating that close to my food every night?
Not true! No one knows how magnets work, but it's a question that's been asked time immemorial. In fact, I often find myself wondering how fuckin' magnets work.Magnetic fields occur whenever electrons move. Since electrons are constantly in motion about their respective nucleae, there are always magnetic fields. If the atom has an even number of electrons, then in the aggregate, for every electron orbitting in one direction, there's an electron orbitting in exactly the opposite direction and there is no net magnetic field, as the magnetic fields of the two electrons cancel each other out.
However, in some elements, notably, the metals, there is always an additional electron either present or missing, which allows individual atoms to possess a net magnetic field. However, just like the electrons around an individual nuclear, a quantity of atoms of a given element tend to be oriented randomly, which means the material is not able to build up a net magnetic field where all atoms are oriented int he same direction.
But, if enough of these "ferro-magnetic" elements are arranged together in certain molecular structures, the atoms are held in the same orientation, allowing the material to exhibit a static magnetic field unrelated to any external, physical stimulae. Such molecular arrangements fall into a number of families. Some of the most popular are AlNiCo, aluminum, nickel, and cobalt; Samarium Cobalt; and Neodymium. The magnetic properties of any of these naturally magnetic materials can be destroyed by heating, which liberates atoms from the molecular structure and thus destroys the magnetic field, and dropping or striking, which does the same, but on a much weaker scale. Likewise, ferro-magnetic materials which do not have net magnetic fields may have weak net magnetic fields imparted to them by striking them upon something hard, such as striking an iron rod on concrete. This is the result of the temporary alignment of atoms.
The technology of nMRI, or Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging, is that of placing a living human in a large magnetic field, thus forcing any and all atoms which have a net magnetic field of their own to orient in place with the external magnetic field. Once so oriented, all affected tissues are bombarded by RF (radio) energy of various frequencies. Certain atoms in certain molecules will absorb the RF energy and then immediately reradiate it as a photon of light. Those photons penetrate the body to the machine's detector. Since the machine knows the frequency of RF energy it is emitting at the moment and can detect the direction from which the resonant photons are being emitted, it is possible to map the internal structures of the body without surgery by sweeping across a band of the RF spectrum and by imaging multiple slices of the body. It's like the way different colors of "neon" lights are formed by gases other than neon, xenon, flourine, hydrogen, argon, etc.
tl;dr: So, there you have it. Naturally occurring magnetic fields are the result of the alignment of atoms. No more mystery.
tl; [although I did read it]: So, there you have it. Naturally occurring magnetic fields are the result of the alignment of atoms. No more mystery.I see nothing in this explanation that tells me whether or not I need to protect my chilled viands from disgusting magnet-sex.
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And on a crazier note, apparently there's some guy who claims that by applying magnets to a person's brain's right hemisphere, he can cause said person's brain to 'sense' the divine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet)—or maybe tilt, I'm not sure which.
I see nothing in this explanation that tells me whether or not I need to protect my chilled viands from disgusting magnet-sex.
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And on a crazier note, apparently there's some guy who claims that by applying magnets to a person's brain's right hemisphere, he can cause said person's brain to 'sense' the divine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet)—or maybe tilt, I'm not sure which.
That was discussed in a recent episode of "All in the mind" (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2010/2909156.htm) from ABC Radio National.
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And on a crazier note, apparently there's some guy who claims that by applying magnets to a person's brain's right hemisphere, he can cause said person's brain to 'sense' the divine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet)—or maybe tilt, I'm not sure which.
That was discussed in a recent episode of "All in the mind" (http://www.abc.net.au/rn/allinthemind/stories/2010/2909156.htm) from ABC Radio National.
if you know what you are doing you can make people sense just about any damn thing by stimulating the right part of their brains. and how exactly does one quantify that anyway? how do you know that what you are sensing is the divine, unless you have some sort of an established baseline for comparison? is the divine squishy? is it warm? does it smell like burnt toast, or taste like purple?
*Snip*First sensible thing anyone's said to me all week.
Don't panic, raoullefere.
(Hands you a copy of the HGTTG) Here, Ford had an extra copy lying about.*Snip*First sensible thing anyone's said to me all week.
Don't panic, raoullefere.
Oh, no! Last time I read that thing, the entry on my planet drove me into a ego-punctured tailspin. Two words?