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Title: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 14 Apr 2013, 08:04
Enjoy! I'm sure I missed your favorite cat-based literary allusion, please post it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Apr 2013, 08:32
Holy shit, great poll. Hopefully the rest of the week lives up to it :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Apr 2013, 08:55
Hubbardston? As in, Tai's place?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 14 Apr 2013, 11:02
Why are there two threads now?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Apr 2013, 11:17
Because in jwhouk's absence, every is battling for the cowl. :emotrex:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 14 Apr 2013, 11:44
alright, I guess that got fixed.

Any news from almighty Jephzibah about his condition? Is he capable to write comics?

edit: I suppose he is:
Quote from: from Jephzibahs Twitter:
(https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3398653393/379e86f159d0097d07035e34043bab58_bigger.png)   Oh my gosh I think my back is well enough for me to play guitar :o
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Apr 2013, 12:08
He better be careful, or he'll throw a disk out of alignment while jamming.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 14 Apr 2013, 16:58
Curse my tired eyes!

(I read that as he'll throw his dick out of alignment)

 :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 14 Apr 2013, 18:03
No, that's bonercat's job.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 14 Apr 2013, 19:12
@jephjacques
Quote
tonight is gonna be a busy night for my block button

I like the sound of that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 14 Apr 2013, 20:15
 Me too, but then he said:

 
Quote from: Jeph
one of those "what the fuck do I draw" nights

 So i won't get my hopes up too much.

 PS: Everyone, you can check already the new Qs&As (http://jephjacques.com/post/48014008190/more-qs-ad).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 14 Apr 2013, 22:18
Quote from: jephjacques
I’ve played since I was 15, so 17 years now (oh god I’m old).

I could feel a thousand voices cry out in terror half the members here flinch and then put on their "bitch please" expression.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 14 Apr 2013, 22:32
... while the other half kicked that flinching habit a decade or more ago?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 14 Apr 2013, 23:26
So, Lazarus Long now has another Cat on Tellus Tertius.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Apr 2013, 02:21
... while the other half kicked that flinching habit a decade or more ago?

 :laugh:

If it wasn't clear, I meant that according to our recent poll (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28762.0.html), roughly 57% (I rounded, okay) of the members are younger than Jeph, while the others are older.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 15 Apr 2013, 03:14
Comic's up! And it's a welcome sight, too!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Apr 2013, 03:17
It's not showing on my machine.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somebody on 15 Apr 2013, 03:19
Try force-refreshing. Claire & Clinton in a park, remembering snuggles.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 03:21
This is probably myself reading too much into things again, but to me it looks like Claire isn't happy remembering the wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Apr 2013, 03:21
Working now.

Murders should be committed in the produce aisle, if the peaches are ripe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 15 Apr 2013, 03:22
Claire seems embarrassed.
And... disappointed? that Marten doesn't remember. maybe?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ChaoSera on 15 Apr 2013, 03:26
Claire seems embarrassed.
And... disappointed? that Marten doesn't remember. maybe?
Well, she does definitely look sad to me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 03:29
She also seems to be missing the strand of hair that always frames her face.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 15 Apr 2013, 03:32
From his shaky beginning as 'that weird creepy guy with a robot hand', I am growing to like Clinton more and more.

I think Claire is not so much disappointed/embarassed, as confused about what happened, not sure what it means - maybe a bit regretful that she didn't say anything. Anyway, as I read the comic, I heard the forum breathe a sigh of relief. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 15 Apr 2013, 03:35
Do all cyber-hands come with a murder-mode? Clinton doesn't seem the assassin type, so... it's a standard feature?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ThinksTooMuch on 15 Apr 2013, 03:38
I would like to believe that somewhere in the application process for cybernetic enhancements, is a check-box for whether the individual has a sister or daughter.  And that murder-mode is standard if they check yes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Apr 2013, 03:49
Hmm.

Claire's considering this a negative experience, clearly, but is it just negative due to being awkward, or negative due to her not actually being into Marten?

(Hoping it's the former. Expecting Jeph to troll us, and give us four more days of Pintsize and the guitar.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RedWolf4 on 15 Apr 2013, 03:58

(Hoping it's the former. Expecting Jeph to troll us, and give us four more days of Pintsize and the guitar.)

Great, now all we're gonna get is hustler style pinups of Pintsize banging Martens new guitar. . . .
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Apr 2013, 04:24
...in the shower. (http://wetriffs.com/)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RedWolf4 on 15 Apr 2013, 04:58
. . . .

Well called, good sir.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 15 Apr 2013, 05:03
@Comic:
*facepalm*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 15 Apr 2013, 05:06
I'd agree that Claire looks a bit embarrassed about things, but in exactly what way, is probably something we'll find out in the next few strips.  There's definitely room for some amusement over neither party admitting to the other that they know that Claire was snuggled up to Marten, and both talking to other people about it!  At some point presumably someone is going to let things slip such that a third party knows about both sides, and then has angst over whether to mention it to either or both of them.  There's room for many levels of meta-angst here!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 05:12
oh dear god please no.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 15 Apr 2013, 05:33
I take the view of "Whatever happens, happens."

Well, they've both spoken of the night to their selected confidants (Marten to Dora and Faye (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2415), and Claire to Clinton in today's comic), so I guess the ball is in Claire's court at this time... but then, I've never been in this sort of situational mess before, so I don't know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mad Cat on 15 Apr 2013, 05:57
I don't know what's more disturbing. The fact that Clinton's hand has a murder mode, or that it slips into it so often, Clinton has developed a stock method to solve the problem.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Apr 2013, 06:06
We're talking about robots in the QC universe. Are you actually surprised? :P

Edit: I should probably clarify before I get accused of speciesism... a lot (most?) of the robots portrayed in QC have been at the very least dangerously mischievous - Pintsize has been portrayed as normal for an AnthroPC. And, other AIs have been portrayed as willing to launch nuclear missiles if need be. Momo (and maybe Winslow) count as exceptions to that portrayal, and it seems like Jeph is backing away from that portrayal, but it does still exist.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 15 Apr 2013, 06:16
I wonder if Clinton's and Clinton's Hand's (forgot the name) compatibility check was done by Gordon as well... would explain a little of that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Apr 2013, 06:19
I don't know what's more disturbing. The fact that Clinton's hand has a murder mode, or that it slips into it so often, Clinton has developed a stock method to solve the problem.

Reminds me of the line in "Broken Arrow" – "I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Apr 2013, 06:29
Working now.

Murders should be committed in the produce aisle, if the peaches are ripe.

Just don't call mom.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 06:32
Working now.

Murders should be committed in the produce aisle, if the peaches are ripe.

Just don't call mom.

aaah. Obscure cultural references to the early strips of a ex-indie hipster cartoon full of obscure cultural references.

Have we gone full circle?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Apr 2013, 06:34
This conversation seems to be becoming meta-Fayesical.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Apr 2013, 06:34
Only if we then speak of SETI screensavers.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 15 Apr 2013, 06:50
Working now.

Murders should be committed in the produce aisle, if the peaches are ripe.

Just don't call mom.

aaah. Obscure cultural references to the early strips of a ex-indie hipster cartoon full of obscure cultural references.

Have we gone full circle?

I was just gonna say, "Good callback."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 06:54
Well Claire doesn't know Marten knows and Marten doesn't know Claire remembers and since Marten got horrible advice from Dora, I'm not confident they'll ever talk about it  :-\
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 15 Apr 2013, 07:26
Somehow I now have this comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2253) in my mind. Claire and Marten both decide to screw all the advice and finally talk to each other about it in the same moment, dial each others numbers, and end up in the same hospital room.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ph2 on 15 Apr 2013, 07:26
This seems a little off by Claire's standards, I kind of expected to make a smart-ass comment since that's what she did when Clinton's hand come up. Sisterly ribbing and such.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 15 Apr 2013, 07:33
Tuesday's comic is 3 panels of Marten eating cereal and a fourth panel of him getting hit by a rocket punch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Apr 2013, 07:38
Do all cyber-hands come with a murder-mode?

Which begs the question, who thought it would be a good idea to even add murder-mode to a cybernetic hand?

THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE, PEOPLE!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Apr 2013, 07:52
This seems a little off by Claire's standards, I kind of expected to make a smart-ass comment since that's what she did when Clinton's hand come up. Sisterly ribbing and such.
They're alone here; she's actually looking for advice, or at least a sounding board, not making sure Clinton knows his place…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Apr 2013, 07:56
Do all cyber-hands come with a murder-mode?

Which begs the question, who thought it would be a good idea to even add murder-mode to a cybernetic hand?

THAT'S JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE, PEOPLE!
Well, in the hand's defense, it does have other modes (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2305).  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 07:58
That was his original hand.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 15 Apr 2013, 08:05
She also seems to be missing the strand of hair that always frames her face.

I sure hope not. I've tried to pull off that "Ponytail + asymmetrical side" thing a few times since then, but I think my hair is a bit flimsy and straight to stay like that on it's own. Ends up more like a regular side of hair after a while than a single bundle.

Also it's so darn windy these days that it more or less constantly ends up on my shoulder anyway. *Grumble*

Well, in the hand's defense, it does have other modes (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2305).  :roll:

I can't imagine it's particularly good for that, given that he doesn't use the protective covering and it seizes up completely due to water.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 15 Apr 2013, 08:49
Produce, definitely.  Deli items - by which I'm figuring, meats and cheeses - don't have the right form factor or, most critically, the crispness or resistance to offer a satisfying 'snap'; compare, e.g., broccoli.

What?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 15 Apr 2013, 08:54
Go to the right deli and they might let you have a turkey neck.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Apr 2013, 09:07
Go to the right deli and they might let you have a turkey neck.
Somehow I'm reminded of this scene....

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 09:10
WE MUST NOT ALLOW A TURKEY NECK GAP!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Apr 2013, 09:13
Go to the right deli and they might let you have a turkey neck.
Somehow I'm reminded of this scene....

Robotic hand, turkey neck, and nuclear weapons?

Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 15 Apr 2013, 09:32
  At some point presumably someone is going to let things slip such that a third party knows about both sides, and then has angst over whether to mention it to either or both of them.

Seeing how protective Clinton is, I don't think he will talk to anyone about this ever.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 15 Apr 2013, 09:37
Somehow I'm reminded of this scene....

Oh gosh. *Sings along* :-D

Seeing how protective Clinton is, I don't think he will talk to anyone about this ever.

Yeah, Clinton is a Víðarr-tier sibling. <3


(Y'know, like "God-tier", but with the God of Silence and righteous Vengeance, to be relied on in times of difficulty~ )
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 15 Apr 2013, 10:03
At some point presumably someone is going to let things slip such that a third party knows about both sides, and then has angst over whether to mention it to either or both of them.
Seeing how protective Clinton is, I don't think he will talk to anyone about this ever.

It's more that we now know that Claire remembers it, so she may discuss it with someone else.  Prior to this, there was the risk that she may have thought it was just a dream, or simply didn't recall any of it due to half asleep dopeyness.  Of course, we've little evidence of her confiding in any else, aside from Marten, who wouldn't be much use as a confidant in this context. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 15 Apr 2013, 10:09
So, Lazarus Long now has another Cat on Tellus Tertius.

They're calling it Tellus Tardis now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Apr 2013, 10:10
I almost wonder if this is setting up a conversation between Clinton and Claire, about any potential feelings that Claire has for Marten.

We already know that Clinton dislikes Marten, despite him being perfectly nice to Claire.

Much comedy could result from Clinton trying to talk Claire out of it. (Even if she's not actually into him at all.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Apr 2013, 10:53
Do all cyber-hands come with a murder-mode? Clinton doesn't seem the assassin type, so... it's a standard feature?

There have already been an alarming number of cases of military robotic equipment showing up in the civilian market. Maybe this is just another one.

(Yes, I know there's only been one case. One is an alarming number when the case is Pintsize.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Drostan on 15 Apr 2013, 11:04
I almost wonder if this is setting up a conversation between Clinton and Claire, about any potential feelings that Claire has for Marten.

We already know that Clinton dislikes Marten, despite him being perfectly nice to Claire.

Much comedy could result from Clinton trying to talk Claire out of it. (Even if she's not actually into him at all.)

I don't exactly think Clinton dislikes Marten, as much as he is over-protective of Claire, and doesn't want to see her hurt, considering Marten's one of the only people that knows she's trans
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 15 Apr 2013, 11:06
Welcome, new person! Also yeah, I agree. Clinton has said Marten's alright with him. Even if he was in a mood when saying so. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Boiled Dove on 15 Apr 2013, 11:12
Do all cyber-hands come with a murder-mode? Clinton doesn't seem the assassin type, so... it's a standard feature?

There have already been an alarming number of cases of military robotic equipment showing up in the civilian market. Maybe this is just another one.

(Yes, I know there's only been one case. One is an alarming number when the case is Pintsize.)


Wasn't the Vespa Avenger's Vespa a combat robot?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 15 Apr 2013, 11:13
No, that was an ordinary Vespa. Even the current models have these features.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 15 Apr 2013, 11:27
Annnnnnnnd we're back to the drama! It's like jumping from the sauna of comedy into the icy lake of "feelings n' stuff"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 11:37
Wasn't there a DEATHBOT something, that Pintsize annoyed on a forum? I can't for the love of god remember his name and when it happened, but it must have been pre 1000s.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Apr 2013, 11:55
DEATHBOT 9000 RUNS ON OPENSOURCE SOFTWARE! DEATHBOT 9000 IS ROUTINELY MODERATED +5 ON SLASHDOT!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HeavyP on 15 Apr 2013, 12:06
Deathbot 9000 has no concept of an indoor voice!

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=642 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=642)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 15 Apr 2013, 12:19
Clinton likes Marten well enough, I think. But he's also in hyperprotective mode and views anyone who could hurt Claire with suspicion.

The interesting part will come when/if Claire gets hurt during the course of a standard interaction (i.e. a "normal breakup") and Clinton has to react to that. I think it'll be hard for Clinton to separate out a normal breakup from "you broke up with her because she's trans" which could result in much comic drama and poignancy should Jeph decide to Go There (with Marten or with any potential suitor)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 15 Apr 2013, 13:13
Annnnnnnnd we're back to the drama! It's like jumping from the sauna of comedy into the icy lake of "feelings n' stuff"

In this day and age it's called "feels".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 13:30
"feels"
Ugh. I can't explain it, but that usage just bugs the shit out of me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HeavyP on 15 Apr 2013, 13:32
Understandable.  My coworkers have, unfortunately, figured out that usage of the word "Cray" makes me homicidal and take the opportunity to insert it in conversation at ever opportunity.  Someone is taking a stapler to the face soon.  : /
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 13:39
"Cray" is acceptable in one song and one song only. (Also I should point out that even in that song where I'm pretty sure it originated, Kanye often, but not always, actually says "crazy" but just emphasizes the first syllable).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Apr 2013, 13:51
So a particular manufacturerr of supercomputers is not the best thing to mention in your presence?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 13:56
Not since Dell bought them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Apr 2013, 14:07
Eh...I don't know what you mean. When did Dell buy Cray?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Apr 2013, 14:08
I'm trying to figure out who Dell bought that was in supercomputing.

(Seriously, Dell buys a lot of stuff, and I don't pay attention to all those e-mails.)

(Disclosure: Dell is my employer. Or, as they recommend, #iwork4dell.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 15 Apr 2013, 14:24
The only thing I'll never forget about Crays is that at least some of their compilers had sizeof(char) == 32.  And if I recall correctly, that was the byte size (size of the smallest addressable memory unit) as well ...

... UTF-32 ready? :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Apr 2013, 14:42
Why have just one byte size?  The EELM KDF-9 had a 48-bit word which was divided into eight 6-bit bytes for characters and six 8-bit bytes for instructions!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 14:44
a year or two ago, I would not have understood what you just said.
YAY MY TUITION FEES ARE NOT A HUGE WASTE OF MONEY!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Apr 2013, 14:56
Eh...I don't know what you mean. When did Dell buy Cray?
Apparently they just partnered up for something and Dell sold some Cray hardware through their site. I guess I just assumed it was an acquisition, especially since Dell bought Alienware. Also can someone translate the previous 3 posts for me?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HappyHavoc on 15 Apr 2013, 14:57
Yes I think it is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Apr 2013, 14:59
And then you get things like HP calculators.

Let's see... the 41C and 1xC families had the most advanced variant of the original processor design... 56-bit registers, 16-bit addressing, 10-bit instruction words (although, before the Saturn processor used in the graphers among other things, HP calculators were Harvard architecture - Saturn switched to a von Neumann architecture), supporting 8-bit chars for some ASCII work, optimized for 4-bit nibbles of BCD data, but being a bit-serial processor inherently. (And, the original implementation, in the HP-35/45/55/65 and 70/80 was 56-bit registers, 8-bit addressing, 10-bit instruction words, no 8-bit support, 4-bit BCD optimization, and bit-serial inherently.)

In any case, the bitness refers to how many bits make up the inherent smallest unit that the computer understands. That said, a 32-bit word that is the smallest addressable unit isn't horribly weird - I mean, most modern processors are doing 32 or more bit loads anyway, and you just do operations on that 32 or more bit register to get the 8 you want. A byte is normally 8 bits. Different word sizes depending on instructions or data is much weirder, especially if it's a von Neumann architecture machine.

Guess I need to explain Harvard vs. von Neumann architecture. Harvard architecture, the machine has two completely different pathways for programs and data. This isn't really used much nowadays at a whole system level, but elements of it are used here and there. von Neumann architecture, you have a bunch of memory, and programs and data can be anywhere in it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 15:49
and your overall performance is really dependent on the pathways that connect memory and processors (the Neumann bottleneck)... ah yes, some bits stuck
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 15 Apr 2013, 16:27
But he's also in hyperprotective mode and views anyone who could hurt Claire with suspicion.
Decent brothers tend to be protective anyway, and pissing off one possessed by in possession of a murder-hand could be unwise.

Murder-hands should wear tight black leather gloves. As ZoeB points out, it is traditional.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 15 Apr 2013, 16:29
But he's also in hyperprotective mode and views anyone who could hurt Claire with suspicion.
Decent brothers tend to be protective anyway, and pissing off one possessed by in possession of a murder-hand could be unwise.

Murder-hands should wear tight black leather gloves. As ZoeB points out, it is traditional.

All brothers posses murderhands at the right level of anger, Clinton's just happens to be made of metal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 15 Apr 2013, 16:43
All brothers posses murderhands at the right level of anger, Clinton's just happens to be made of metal.

100% true. The older of my two little sisters (the one who's going furry on me) is at a point in her life where guys are starting to notice her, even though she's not there yet.
I've had to stay my murderhand once or twice.
Guys can be assholes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bedrock on 15 Apr 2013, 17:36
But he's also in hyperprotective mode and views anyone who could hurt Claire with suspicion.
Decent brothers tend to be protective anyway, and pissing off one possessed by in possession of a murder-hand could be unwise.

Murder-hands should wear tight black leather gloves. As ZoeB points out, it is traditional.

All brothers posses murderhands at the right level of anger, Clinton's just happens to be made of metal.

Agreed!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Apr 2013, 17:37
It works with uncles too. My niece has been having some relationship issues recently, and I keep having to remind myself that A. she's a big girl and B. her jackass of a husband is in U.S. Army Special Forces and could easily kick my ass.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Apr 2013, 17:39
I always thought that it was best to let your sister do whatever she wants to do. My sisters are both very confident and powerful women and have never seen the need to ask me for my help. Sure, I'll be the last to look away if someone hurts them, but unless they specifically ask for my intervention, I will not get involved in my sisters matters, because they live their lives and I live my own, and they are not interfering in mine either, unless I ask them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 15 Apr 2013, 17:52
That's true (to an extent) of they're all grown up. But when your kid sister is, well, just a kid, yeah, you'll be overprotective.

Also, the phrase "the only one who can make her life hell is me" is not that rare :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 15 Apr 2013, 19:54
Finally, a use for all that beef trachea I bought at the county fair...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sassafras on 15 Apr 2013, 21:00
I don't know if it's possible Jeph was going for this, but just speaking from experience, my own family has pretty much accepted me as a woman, but get squeamish/freaked out/pissed off at the mention of me dating. Like it's less real if I'm not getting laid or something. I wonder if that has anything to do with Clinton getting so angry and Claire being so uncharacteristically meek about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 15 Apr 2013, 21:44
  I don't think so. I take it as Clinton feels...responsible for Claire? He doesn't wanna see something bad happens to her, so he's always in "Alert Mode", just in case. It's not about the dating thing, but the possibilty of someone that know her condition and treat her in the wrong way for it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mordhaus on 15 Apr 2013, 21:46
My hand is stuck in Murder mode.

"Whoa, thats a good song title" - Nathan Explosion
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 15 Apr 2013, 22:39
I agree that Claire seems confused and embarrassed about what happened, not sad or upset. I think the embarrassment is probably because she's not into Marten, and so she hopes he doesn't know about it because otherwise he might think she is.

I would like to believe that somewhere in the application process for cybernetic enhancements, is a check-box for whether the individual has a sister or daughter.  And that murder-mode is standard if they check yes.

Wouldn't that be pretty dangerous for the sister or daughter? I'm pretty sure that when I was a kid, there were many more times when I felt like murdering my sister than protecting her...  :-P

We're talking about robots in the QC universe. Are you actually surprised? :P

Edit: I should probably clarify before I get accused of speciesism... a lot (most?) of the robots portrayed in QC have been at the very least dangerously mischievous - Pintsize has been portrayed as normal for an AnthroPC.

Waitwait WHAT??  :-o Pintsize has never been considered "normal." Remember when Marten told the story of how he met Pintsize originally? As soon as the test indicated which AnthroPC was supposedly the most compatible, the salesclerk blanched and said something like "THAT one? Are you SURE??" and then started nerviously talking to Marten about insurance coverage and how her company was not responsible for property damage. If that's how she reacts to a supposedly "normal" AnthroPC, I'll eat my shorts. Momo and Winslow are much more typical AnthroPCs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Apr 2013, 22:48
Remember that early in QC Pintsize's parties were depicted, and all the anthroPCs present were models like him.  It was a while before Jeph started widening the concept.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 15 Apr 2013, 22:57
Clinton is Big Brother double plus good.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Seripham89 on 15 Apr 2013, 23:34
Clinton must smash something to get his hand to behave?  Sounds the the start of a sitcom based around that Michael Cain film where his hand is evil.

On an unrelated note, I think Jeph is going to fuck with us again via Claire.  The hijinks will be amusing, but they will be hijinks none the less.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 16 Apr 2013, 00:08
Remember that early in QC Pintsize's parties were depicted, and all the anthroPCs present were models like him.  It was a while before Jeph started widening the concept.
I think Storel meant more in terms of personality and attitude than chassis model….
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 16 Apr 2013, 00:14
Exactly. The other ones may have looked like Pintsize, but they did not have his personality.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 16 Apr 2013, 00:46
Their personality wasn't so far off his. They shared the same sense of humour, they shared an interest in embarrassing their owners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=639), and who's to say they didn't share his delight in wanton destruction?

Clinton is Big Brother double plus good.

Little Brother is watching.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Apr 2013, 00:57
Remember the one where Meena worked? That was pretty bad.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/821
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 16 Apr 2013, 01:07
Sure, many of them have quirks; they're a relatively new technology, some stuff hasn't been ironed out yet. Even so, Pintsize is exceptional in many ways.

I think part of the difference in our perceptions is that in the earlier days of the strip, Jeph did tend to make all the Anthros fairly similar, but in the more recent strips he's changed things so that Pintsize is more noticeably different from the more "normal" ones. You're probably looking more at the earlier strips, while I'm looking more at the later ones.

Edit: Also, with regards to the "produce section vs. deli section" question, I suspect Claire had sausages in mind for possible trachea substitures from the deli section.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 16 Apr 2013, 01:23
Dawwww.
 Cute siblings moment  :-D .
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 16 Apr 2013, 01:25
I imagine anyone trying to steal clinton's lunch money will encounter MURDER HAND  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Apr 2013, 01:26
Heh you'd figure having a robot hand with murder mode would significantly decrease the instances of one's lunch money being stolen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 16 Apr 2013, 01:28
Maybe the murder hand only activates when Clinton's famility members are in danger. Or maybe it is the hand itself that takes Clinton's lunch money!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 16 Apr 2013, 01:31
Heh you'd figure having a robot hand with murder mode would significantly decrease the instances of one's lunch money being stolen.

unless the lunch-money-taker had one as well. a bigger robot hand. with spikes.  :psyduck:

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100125010361/fma/images/thumb/3/38/Fullmetal_Alchemist_-_37_-_Large_07.jpg/1000px-Fullmetal_Alchemist_-_37_-_Large_07.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Apr 2013, 01:42
Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 16 Apr 2013, 02:11
Their personality wasn't so far off his. They shared the same sense of humour, they shared an interest in embarrassing their owners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=639), and who's to say they didn't share his delight in wanton destruction?
And there were plenty of cases where the other AnthroPCs were just as destructive as Pintsize.

It's just that Pintsize had a laser.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 16 Apr 2013, 02:26
@ Mtmerrick

Or a chainsaw-maw combo

From a crazy stalker to a genuinely caring brother. Nice character development. Coco Chanel would have been wrong.
(click to show/hide)

As usual, QC is pretty well written: so far, we have very few unidimensional characters (even Pintsize...).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 16 Apr 2013, 03:05
Coco Chanel would have been wrong.
Coco Chanel was wrong about a lot of things... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Chanel#Activity_as_Nazi_agent)

I really like today's comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2426). The colours, and the way the viewpoint changes, are nice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Apr 2013, 03:16
Heh you'd figure having a robot hand with murder mode would significantly decrease the instances of one's lunch money being stolen.

unless the lunch-money-taker had one as well. a bigger robot hand. with spikes. 

I don't see Clinton using the Hand of Homicide on a bully stealing his lunch money.

However, a bully taking his sister's... size of bully, robot-hand, presence of spikes etc would be immaterial. They'd just make it easier - no need to hold anything back, no ethical issues about "disproportionate force".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Apr 2013, 03:30
I really like today's comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2426). The colours, and the way the viewpoint changes, are nice.
I'm a little saddened though.

"And then you put yourself in a super-dangerous situation"
"Don't you lecture me about my personal safety. I live with that EVERY DAY."


I guess I was hoping that a post-singularity world, with AI people and orbital habitats would be a little less like this one in that regard. Though AI rights are something new and controversial to some, so it was no surprise. Of the characters, I'm still more like Momo than Claire.

Momo : Marigold's AnthroPC. Quite anime in design, slightly less anime in attitude. Very interested in AI history and civil rights.

Except I'm old enough to be Marigold's mother, and really quite staid. "Square" to use a word even older than I am. Just... maternal?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 16 Apr 2013, 04:22
Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.

Did I just detect a Yu-gi-oh reference?




Also these last couple comics are definitely amusing to me. My younger brother is a little bit the same way it turns out. Without going into the whole thing this instant, we nearly went to jail one night a couple of months ago because he was all "protect sister RAAARGH".
It was pretty funny, if unexpected.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 16 Apr 2013, 04:26
I really like today's comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2426). The colours, and the way the viewpoint changes, are nice.
I'm a little saddened though.

"And then you put yourself in a super-dangerous situation"
"Don't you lecture me about my personal safety. I live with that EVERY DAY."


I guess I was hoping that a post-singularity world, with AI people and orbital habitats would be a little less like this one in that regard. Though AI rights are something new and controversial to some, so it was no surprise. Of the characters, I'm still more like Momo than Claire.

Momo : Marigold's AnthroPC. Quite anime in design, slightly less anime in attitude. Very interested in AI history and civil rights.

Except I'm old enough to be Marigold's mother, and really quite staid. "Square" to use a word even older than I am. Just... maternal?

Even post-singularity, people are still people.  And while they can be the best things, they can also be the worst.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 16 Apr 2013, 04:50
Unfortunately, the QCVerse, while pretty upbeat (and with cool shit like AnthroPCs and personal spacecraft and orbital laboratory/home), is still far from ideal. Like Border Reiver said, people are still people. While we still possess that nasty habit of thinking one viewpoint, opinion or lifestyle to be "better" than another, there will be hate (for a minor case in point, start a "Sub vs Dub" thread in any anime forum and watch the flamewar burn).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Apr 2013, 04:55
Zoe, I have to say that the first thing I thought of when I read QC this morning (even before I read Jeph's newspost) was the stories you've told us here about the terrors trans people have to face. It's been enlightening, in an extremely disturbing way, and you've changed the way I think. So I'm just saying thanks for educating us on this.

That being said, Clinton is way over-reacting in this case. Perhaps understandably - sure, he's just worried about his sister and a guy he doesn't know too well yet - but we all know that Marten is the last guy who would even think about abusing Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Apr 2013, 05:50
I'm not so sure he was fussed about Claire being drunk around Marten, who he knows somewhat. Or being drunk around a bunch of strangers. I kind of suspect the latter though. All things given though, Marten's family and their friends seem cool enough about people who don't fit into the standard molds, so I doubt they would have any problem with Claire being trans, if they haven't figured it out already. Of course, Clinton has no way to know them, and he tends to over react anyway, to a lot of things...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 16 Apr 2013, 06:20
I guess I was hoping that a post-singularity world, with AI people and orbital habitats would be a little less like this one in that regard. Though AI rights are something new and controversial to some, so it was no surprise.

Yeah, not to mention: "I hate to sound pessmistic, but we're still working on racism, sexism, homophobia ..." (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2201)

So Transphobia isn't exactly a stretch. It does tend to be overlooked by people who don't know someone trans*. If that scene happened now in the comic he'd probably say it.

Of the characters, I'm still more like Momo than Claire.

Yeah, and Momo was up there with Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1399) already. But there's something to be said for actual representations rather than just relatable or allegorical ones. :)

"Square" to use a word even older than I am. Just... maternal?

Awesomely so. <3
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Just Karen on 16 Apr 2013, 06:53
Zoe, I have to say that the first thing I thought of when I read QC this morning (even before I read Jeph's newspost) was the stories you've told us here about the terrors trans people have to face. It's been enlightening, in an extremely disturbing way, and you've changed the way I think. So I'm just saying thanks for educating us on this.

That being said, Clinton is way over-reacting in this case. Perhaps understandably - sure, he's just worried about his sister and a guy he doesn't know too well yet - but we all know that Marten is the last guy who would even think about abusing Claire.

I disagree.  Yeah, she happened to be with Marten at the end of the night, but she wasn't (necessarily) with him the entire time she was drunk.  What if one of the other attendees happened to be an extremely transphobic person?  Just because it's a marriage between two guys (therefore limiting the list of people with possible issues to "people OK with gays"), doesn't mean they're OK with a transgender person - there is a fairly large contingent of "Radical Feminists" (I prefer to call them "Conservative Feminists", or "ConFem" for short) in the lesbian community that object strongly to our presence and/or existence.  Google "Cathy Brennan" and "Michigan Womyn's Festival".  Separately, to get the full impact.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 16 Apr 2013, 07:26
She also seems to be missing the strand of hair that always frames her face.
yup, definitely gone for good. Shame.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 16 Apr 2013, 07:36
yup, definitely gone for good. Shame.

Don't say that! She could've just pulled it behind her ear again! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2390) ;_;
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Apr 2013, 08:02
I wonder if the fairy from the secret alley is the flower girl at the wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 16 Apr 2013, 08:08
Nah, wouldn't think so. She's younger (or at least smaller and flat-chested) and had brown hair.

Unless she used fairy-magic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 16 Apr 2013, 08:21
"And then you put yourself in a super-dangerous situation"
"Don't you lecture me about my personal safety. I live with that EVERY DAY."


I really like Claire's response. I think it is a good way to call out implied slut shaming without actually getting into the slut shaming part.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Apr 2013, 08:37
In public with strangers might seem safer to Clinton than being alone with a relative unknown.

Claire may have figured out that Marten is about as dangerous as a stuffed manatee on codeine.

"People are still people" -- yes, but they won't be when they hear this sound that's been glowing in the dark at the edge of town.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Apr 2013, 08:46
Nah, wouldn't think so. She's younger (or at least smaller and flat-chested) and had brown hair.

Unless she used fairy-magic.

Maybe... she tricked us!  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Apr 2013, 08:48
I really don't see Claire's response as having anything to do with slut shaming. Rather, the physical danger that trans people face on a regular basis. I thankfully haven't had to deal with anything stronger than verbal insults and disgusted looks yet. But the fact remains that even in 'safe' areas, trans people get attacked, even murdered for nothing more than being trans. Knowing that risk is an important part to deciding to transition, in my mind. And especially knowing how to guard yourself against it. It's not something I've ever forgotten and likely never will. And I always take steps to make sure I'm safe (like not getting drunk among strangers).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 16 Apr 2013, 08:57
She also seems to be missing the strand of hair that always frames her face.
yup, definitely gone for good. Shame.

It could be just playing with the artstyle rather than a actual haircut so it could pop up again.

I like the new look though. Looks a bit messier, but in a cute way, and it frames her face nicely.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: katsmeat on 16 Apr 2013, 09:13
My take on Clinton's attitude is that he's fine with having a sister, it's just he's not managed to adjust to being the brother of a sister.  Floating around somewhere in his brain is the notion that women "need to be protected" and it's his duty to be the white knight. 

She's acutely aware of the vulnerabilities inherent in being trans. So I can see her being glad of his backup, yet sometimes exasperated by him being overprotective. After all, she is older and  has a couple more years of experience of the world; all things being equal, she is slightly better able to look after herself than he is.  Cue frequent bust-ups - I bet the time  they were first seen together (2277) was right in the middle of one.

Presumably if Claire was to start seeing somebody seriously, the danger would be that Clinton would slip into full-blown Victorian patriarch mode and storm off to confront the person, to demand to know if their "intentions were honourable."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Apr 2013, 09:18

Claire may have figured out that Marten is about as dangerous as a stuffed manatee on codeine.


I think you're giving Marten a little too much credit... not that he doesn't try to put his noodle spine up once in awhile as a very wimpy Prince Valiant.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 16 Apr 2013, 09:19
I really don't see Claire's response as having anything to do with slut shaming. Rather, the physical danger that trans people face on a regular basis. I thankfully haven't had to deal with anything stronger than verbal insults and disgusted looks yet. But the fact remains that even in 'safe' areas, trans people get attacked, even murdered for nothing more than being trans. Knowing that risk is an important part to deciding to transition, in my mind. And especially knowing how to guard yourself against it. It's not something I've ever forgotten and likely never will. And I always take steps to make sure I'm safe (like not getting drunk among strangers).

I'm not trying to minimize what trans* people go through, I just read Clinton's words differently.

Women are constantly told (often by men) to avoid "dangerous" situations, such as parties, or cities, or subways, or really anywhere you might go outside of your home. If something happens to a woman who happens to be in one of these situations people often act as though she deserves part of the blame for what happened to her because she willingly went to a party and decided to drink. No victim should be blamed for the heinous actions of their attackers, no matter where they were, what they were wearing, or how they were presenting.

Maybe slut shaming wasn't the right word. Lets go with Victim Blaming.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Apr 2013, 09:22
Culpabit Victima!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 16 Apr 2013, 09:23
Presumably if Claire was to start seeing somebody seriously, the danger would be that Clinton would slip into full-blown Victorian patriarch mode and storm off to confront the person, to demand to know if their "intentions were honourable."
Not that Marten hasn't done that himself.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1423
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Apr 2013, 09:30
By the way:
Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.

Did I just detect a Yu-gi-oh reference?

You have a good eye :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Apr 2013, 09:49
I interpret her response to be bristling at him presuming to tell HER what kind of danger she lives with, as if he knows the risks of being her better than she does. I can't blame her for that response, I would have had a similar one. Probably with an expletive thrown in, cos... well, I do that a lot.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Apr 2013, 10:19
My take on Clinton's attitude is that he's fine with having a sister, it's just he's not managed to adjust to being the brother of a sister.

It must have been disorienting for him.

Welcome, new person! Excellent first post
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Apr 2013, 10:25
Women are constantly told (often by men) to avoid "dangerous" situations, such as parties, or cities, or subways, or really anywhere you might go outside of your home. If something happens to a woman who happens to be in one of these situations people often act as though she deserves part of the blame for what happened to her because she willingly went to a party and decided to drink. No victim should be blamed for the heinous actions of their attackers, no matter where they were, what they were wearing, or how they were presenting.

This I can certainly see. And this is all fairly new to Clinton after all. From what Claire's said she's transitioned in college, so it's been what, 3-4 years most likely? So he's still trying to adjust to Claire being female and trying to 'instruct her on how to be safe as a girl'. Something a lot of people seem to do, even though they've never been a girl themselves. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Apr 2013, 10:57

Claire may have figured out that Marten is about as dangerous as a stuffed manatee on codeine.


I think you're giving Marten a little too much credit... not that he doesn't try to put his noodle spine up once in awhile as a very wimpy Prince Valiant.

I cannot imagine Marten hurting a friend.
Quote from: Dora in strip 453
Marten is the most harmless boy I've ever met.

We have extensive proof that Marten doesn't take advantage of drunk women. Claire doesn't know that history but it's intriguing that she accurately sized up Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Apr 2013, 11:00
Well, it's not like they haven't all been drunk before together. Remember the party and Emily's lake house?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Apr 2013, 11:09
But I thought it's the men that get to know each other by drinking together (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1431)? :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 16 Apr 2013, 11:18
I cannot imagine Marten hurting a friend.
Quote from: Dora in strip 453
Marten is the most harmless boy I've ever met.

We have extensive proof that Marten doesn't take advantage of drunk women. Claire doesn't know that history but it's intriguing that she accurately sized up Marten.
Although, Marten has tried to, while drunk, take advantage of sober women. Well, at least one woman (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818). (FAYE used PUNCH! It's super effective!)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Apr 2013, 11:25
I'd argue that that, while very douchey, doesn't really count as "taking advantage". More like "being aggressively bitter and demanding". Or, you know, "running into a fist".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 16 Apr 2013, 11:37
I did say that he tried, not that he actually did.

(MARTEN used GUILT TRIP. It's not very effective...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 16 Apr 2013, 12:19
I interpret her response to be bristling at him presuming to tell HER what kind of danger she lives with, as if he knows the risks of being her better than she does. I can't blame her for that response, I would have had a similar one. Probably with an expletive thrown in, cos... well, I do that a lot.
That's pretty much how I read it too.
As for Clinton's attitude, I reckon he's partially confused, on a largely subconscious level, by the fact that she only became a sister (to his knowledge, not necessarily to hers) a short while ago which kind of makes her a younger sister of a sort. From a certain point of view etc.

I cannot imagine Marten hurting a friend.
Quote from: Dora in strip 453
Marten is the most harmless boy I've ever met.

We have extensive proof that Marten doesn't take advantage of drunk women. Claire doesn't know that history but it's intriguing that she accurately sized up Marten.
Although, Marten has tried to, while drunk, take advantage of sober women. Well, at least one woman (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818). (FAYE used PUNCH! It's super effective!)

As for this… remember that there are additional facts that make a repeat of that terrible performance unlikely; specifically his history with Faye, his depression, his resentment of Angus, and the even larger quantity of alcohol consumed without moderation by food. None of those applied with Claire at the wedding so there's basically no chance he'd turn on her like that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 16 Apr 2013, 12:47
She also seems to be missing the strand of hair that always frames her face.
yup, definitely gone for good. Shame.

It could be just playing with the artstyle rather than a actual haircut so it could pop up again.

I like the new look though. Looks a bit messier, but in a cute way, and it frames her face nicely.

but, they were SO FLUFFY
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 16 Apr 2013, 13:03

Claire may have figured out that Marten is about as dangerous as a stuffed manatee on codeine.


I think you're giving Marten a little too much credit... not that he doesn't try to put his noodle spine up once in awhile as a very wimpy Prince Valiant.

I cannot imagine Marten hurting a friend.


I think he meant that a stuffed manatee is considerably more dangerous than Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Apr 2013, 13:06
I did. I mean it could fall on somebody! Those things are heavy!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 16 Apr 2013, 13:34
I thought this was the pets thread for a second. And I was thinking - for only a split second, mind you - that someone had a stuffed pet manatee. And my brain was ALL sorts of confused.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 16 Apr 2013, 15:39
Women are constantly told (often by men) to avoid "dangerous" situations, such as parties, or cities, or subways, or really anywhere you might go outside of your home. If something happens to a woman who happens to be in one of these situations people often act as though she deserves part of the blame for what happened to her because she willingly went to a party and decided to drink.
Very true, and there is a tricky fine line between the impulse that decent men feel to protect women, and patriarchal systems using fear to control women, and restrict them to smaller lives than men's. There are many risk factors that all women have to consider, including trans-women.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Apr 2013, 16:54
That being said, Clinton is way over-reacting in this case. Perhaps understandably - sure, he's just worried about his sister and a guy he doesn't know too well yet - but we all know that Marten is the last guy who would even think about abusing Claire.
Yes, obviously.
We know Marten - Clinton doesn't.
I really like Clinton - he's rather sweet. Even if he needs to learn a little about boundaries, and lets his inner Geek violate them too much. The kind of thing I might well do myself, if I'm not careful.
He cares for his sister.

Everything everyone's said about Clinton having had to get used to his sister's transition is true. As is the fact that Bad Stuff(tm) has happened to girls who get drunk at parties, when in the wrong company. Drunk - or drugged. Can happen to anyone.

It happened to me. LSD-25 in the non-alcoholic punch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 16 Apr 2013, 17:07
Presumably if Claire was to start seeing somebody seriously, the danger would be that Clinton would slip into full-blown Victorian patriarch mode and storm off to confront the person, to demand to know if their "intentions were honourable."
I think that's guaranteed!

But you know what? I pity any predatory female who latches onto Clinton and mistreats him... Claire would rip her to shreds. I can see her having a serious talk with any G/F of his, just to make sure she won't break his heart un-necessarily. Clinton's life can't have been easy, think about it, he had a hand blown off as a child in a fireworks accident. His social skills need honing.

(must resist urge to ship Hanners.... though worse things could happen)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 16 Apr 2013, 17:24
They both have really large, round glasses, though she has thicker frames. I wonder why Jeph went with them, style, or ease of drawing (don't get in the way of eyes and such)?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 16 Apr 2013, 17:41
Presumably if Claire was to start seeing somebody seriously, the danger would be that Clinton would slip into full-blown Victorian patriarch mode and storm off to confront the person, to demand to know if their "intentions were honourable."
I think that's guaranteed!

But you know what? I pity any predatory female who latches onto Clinton and mistreats him... Claire would rip her to shreds. I can see her having a serious talk with any G/F of his, just to make sure she won't break his heart un-necessarily. Clinton's life can't have been easy, think about it, he had a hand blown off as a child in a fireworks accident. His social skills need honing.

Even though Claire is (now) his sister, i think she'll always have that "big brother" mentality about Clinton :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 16 Apr 2013, 17:49
Even though Claire is (now) his sister, i think she'll always have that "big brother" mentality about Clinton :P

She always was, Clinton just didn't know it yet, and I do believe you mean "Big sister" mentality. Familial love isn't just fraternal. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: henri bemis on 16 Apr 2013, 17:52
Yup.  One of my sisters (two years younger) gets protective of me as often as I do of her, and we've got two other siblings still in grade school that we both look out for.  We get to be the two badass older sisters.

eta: I admit I got a bit bristled at first when Clinton started on about 'dangerous situations' for the reasons TRVA123 and Akima outlined, but I think Jeph handled it well.  Clinton's reaction was understandable, but problematic, and Claire's response made that pretty clear (at least to me?).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 16 Apr 2013, 18:28
Cute interlude will end on Friday when Pintsize and Marten's new Guitar fuze with Deathbot
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheBiscuit on 16 Apr 2013, 20:50
I really can't stand Clinton. These attempts to give him a more laudable side to his character aren't working on me at all. A day with no strip at all is better than a strip with Clinton in it for me. He's a nasty little creeper who just automatically thinks the worst of anyone who isn't his sister, and then on top of that he has the gall to criticize her when she's probably doing better in life than he is. His sole redeeming quality is that he thinks he's looking out for her best interests, but in the most obnoxious way posible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 16 Apr 2013, 21:44
A day with no strip at all is better than a strip with Clinton in it for me.
But Jeph can write whatever he wants  :-) Even if that's not your cup of tea.

 
and then on top of that he has the gall to criticize her when she's probably doing better in life than he is.

 We don't know that much about his life (just maybe that he have a job as an AI "consultor", or make interviews, surveys, etc).

 
He's a nasty little creeper who just automatically thinks the worst of anyone who isn't his sister,
After what their father did to them (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2371), i bet his hope in humanity was almost lost; and he doesn't wanna see Claire suffering like (i guess) her mother have to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 16 Apr 2013, 22:10
We don't know that much about his life (just maybe that he have a job as an AI "consultor", or make interviews, surveys, etc).

And that he has terrible taste in swimwear. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2299) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Apr 2013, 22:24
And that he has ideally hydrodynamic taste in swimwear. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2299) :emotrex:
:emotrex:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: candlejack on 16 Apr 2013, 22:40
Hehe CSI: Murderfuck.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Apr 2013, 23:09
Wow! Clinton makes me look not paranoid! That's freaking impressive!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Apr 2013, 23:43
Claire has obviously given this a lot of thought.

Does Clinton really worry about bus drivers, or was that just a way of teasing his sister? I've never had a sister but I gather you're supposed to tease them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 16 Apr 2013, 23:49
 Maybe he's not used to the idea that her sister is a grown up now?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 17 Apr 2013, 00:21
I had to look up muniphobia. Apparently, it's "fear of public transportation", although it might be that it's just fear of using public transportation?

Also, it's a song by a band called Cobra Skulls.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 17 Apr 2013, 00:35
Does Clinton really worry about bus drivers, or was that just a way of teasing his sister?

I see it more like this:
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dfs.png)

I've never had a sister but I gather you're supposed to tease them

YES  :mrgreen:

Also, props to Claire for even knowing a word like muniphobia
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Radical AC on 17 Apr 2013, 00:38
Artist Request:

Jeph needs to make an alternative last panel that ends like Mean Girls.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 17 Apr 2013, 00:49
Yup.  One of my sisters (two years younger) gets protective of me as often as I do of her ...

I've got in trouble with my little sister, and my ex-wife, when I made some throw away comment on Twitter about being a bit hypo before I cycled home, and then not tweeting immediately when I got home, that I was OK!

I could kind of understand it, but I've lived by myself for longer than I lived at home as a child (and young adult), and I've been divorced for more than a decade!

I think familial protection goes on, regardless of age, relative age, gender, actual relation, and real necessity. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Apr 2013, 01:17
I've never had a sister but I gather you're supposed to tease them.
No, they're supposed to tease you. Boys are eminently suitable for teasing. Brothers doubly so.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Apr 2013, 01:18
I think familial protection goes on, regardless of age, relative age, gender, actual relation, and real necessity. :-D
+1 Insightful
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 17 Apr 2013, 01:30
We know Marten - Clinton doesn't.

He does, but only angry (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1908) Marten (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1909) - so naturally he would be unsure of him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 17 Apr 2013, 02:01
Clinton made a bad first impression.
Then he made a bad second impression.

He's getting better, but it's a normal human thing for first impressions to stick around, as well as last ones. His *only* appearances for a while set him up to be regarded poorly, for the most part. We, being human, do it to fictional characters too. In addition, his actions caused emotional pain to characters we have far more intimacy built up with, and so his negative qualities are amplified. Really, some of them aren't any worse than what more common characters have done, but they get a little bit more of a handwave because they've built up more emotional capital with us.

Reminds me of the episode of Toradora we watched at Anime Club yesterday.
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Apr 2013, 03:10
Even though Claire is (now) his sister

I know it's been mentioned before... but I think it needs emphasising.

Based on a whole heap of objective anatomical and consequent psychological evidence... not just subjective self-assessments...

Claire has always been his sister. She just didn't always look like it. Understand that, really accept it, you understand everything, it all makes sense, and is all so simple.

Try looking at the situation any other way, there will always be puzzlements and "wha....??" moments,  things that don't jell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 17 Apr 2013, 03:29
he didn't always consider her his sister, which is what i meant, i guess.

i still get pronouns scrambled sometimes.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LordVaughn on 17 Apr 2013, 06:07
Is it bad that my thought processes sometimes go like the conversations between Claire and Clinton?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 17 Apr 2013, 06:22
I wonder what the new position of the twitter feed means for news posts, and why the flatr button wasn't moved in the process.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Apr 2013, 06:26
English is hard enough; you start messing with pronouns and it gets all  :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 06:43
English is hard enough; you start messing with pronouns and it gets all

Using the right ones is not "Messing with them", though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 17 Apr 2013, 06:59
Using the right ones is not "Messing with them", though.

Yes... but on the other hand, English *is* hard enough. We have things like....

Affect ehFEKT- to change; AFFekt- a person's feelings or emotion
Alternate ALternit- the next choice; ALternait- switch back and forth
Are AHR- plural present tense of "to be"; AIR- 100 square meters (1/100th of a hectare) [although may also be pronounced AHR]
Ares AIRS- 100 square meter units [plural]; AIReez- Greek god of war [capitalized]
Attribute ahTRIByoot- to consider resulting from; AHtribyoot- a characteristic of someone
August AUgust- month [capitalized]; auGUST- important, eminent
Axes AKsiz- more than one ax or axe; AKseez- the plural of axis
Bass BASE- a string instrument; (rhymes with mass)- a fish

etc

So - how many ares are in the field of Ares? To which attribute do we attribute this to?

Not forgetting  "This person - who are they with?", the use of the plural "they" as a singular  gender-neutral pronoun. Much like the German "Sie" for "you (formal)", "she" and "they".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 17 Apr 2013, 07:00
Yes... but on the other hand, English *is* hard enough. We have things like....
 AIR- 100 square meters (1/100th of a hectare) [although may also be pronounced AHR]
Ares AIRS- 100 square meter units [plural]
Your English may have that, but not my English. Which is yet another hardship.

I really can't stand Clinton. These attempts to give him a more laudable side to his character aren't working on me at all. A day with no strip at all is better than a strip with Clinton in it for me. He's a nasty little creeper who just automatically thinks the worst of anyone who isn't his sister, and then on top of that he has the gall to criticize her when she's probably doing better in life than he is. His sole redeeming quality is that he thinks he's looking out for her best interests, but in the most obnoxious way possible.
Pretty sure he didn't think the worst of Hannelore. Or Faye. Or anyone else he's met, at least not to their face.

Personally, I've liked him (as a character, not a person) since he first showed up, since he was at least partially a parody of creepy Hannelore superfans. Now he's outgrown that template, but still interesting enough to avoid the Allosaurus.

Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.
But if the bully itself is death, then he becomes a member of your band, and helps as you go on to found a new ideology of peace and rocking out.

I suspect I am close to your age, but I have zealously avoided any and all card-based materials.

Coco Chanel would have been wrong.
Coco Chanel was wrong about a lot of things... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Chanel#Activity_as_Nazi_agent)
*reads*
*scrolls up*
*scrolls down*
Holy damn, she's just a ball of frowned upon historical positions.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 07:13
Yes... but on the other hand, English *is* hard enough. We have things like....

Every language with our system of writing works like this, though, and that's fine. They aren't precisely phonetic nor are they logographic, like Japanese Kana and the imported Kanji respectively, they're just representative. This has its own strengths, as pronunciation changes much more easily than the written word that way. Texts from even a few generations ago could become more or less indecipherable, rendering the purpose of that information transfer dysfunctional. Regional dialects of the same language would also be impossible to standardize. So we have somewhat arbitrary close-approximations, just giving a general idea of a way to say it.

Such as with Icelandic speakers more or less being able to read the Old Norse texts a millennium later.

It also doesn't mean I'm "messing with people" because they have pronoun issues.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 17 Apr 2013, 07:21
Texts from even a few generations ago could become more or less indecipherable, rendering the purpose of that information transfer dysfunctional.

I recall being taken round a museum in Kyoto, Japan, about 1980 by a group of people from the company I was visiting.  At one point I asked about the meaning of a Japanese inscription labelled as being written in about 1870 - but the collective efforts of several intelligent adults were unable to make any sense of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 17 Apr 2013, 07:25

Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.
But if the bully itself is death, then he becomes a member of your band, and helps as you go on to found a new ideology of peace and rocking out.

I am afraid that reference went over my head.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 07:40
@Paul: Yeah, that's a good example of how you can end up with phonetic spellings. Meanwhile the more static and descriptive writing of Kanji gives you sweet-frak-all idea on how to pronounce things at all.. to the point of the same word being written the same way in completely different languages. I think we have a pretty good middle-ground of the two and really can't understand why people take such issue with it.

I guess it's pretty much a case of Churchill-paraphrasing in my opinion. Worst one, except for the others that've been tried. :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 17 Apr 2013, 08:11
Contrasting that with Icelandic speakers more or less being able to read the Old Norse texts a millennium later.

Which is why I want to learn Íslenska one day. I want to be able to read the Edda in the original!

Compared to the changes German has undergone…

Mittelhochdeutsch (Middle High German), the German as it was in use between 1050 and 1350 is hardly comprehensable to a modern German speaker. Old High German is even worse.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Apr 2013, 08:28

Everyone my age knows that the most suitable way to deal with any bully is challenge him to a game, then kill and/or mindrape him when he inevitably loses because you are the King of Games.
But if the bully itself is death, then he becomes a member of your band, and helps as you go on to found a new ideology of peace and rocking out.

I am afraid that reference went over my head.

Here, have an obscure cultural reference.   (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Ted's_Bogus_Journey)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 09:19
Compared to the changes German has undergone…

Mittelhochdeutsch (Middle High German), the German as it was in use between 1050 and 1350 is hardly comprehensable to a modern German speaker. Old High German is even worse.

Yeah, first it's a matter of actually standardizing things so that the spellings don't drift as much, which happens at different times. During that era Sweden was still Norse too and still mostly writing in Runes, so of course a lot has changed since then here. A lot of words ended up different in certain regions depending on how they chose to transliterate the Runes, too, since they have fewer letters by that point.

But once those issues get ironed out it isn't that big of a deal for me to read things many centuries old. The spelling-reforms haven't been all that radical.

Something pretty neat from the twilight of Runes, though:

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[Audio] Folksong (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/audio/DromteMigEnDrom.wav) notations with Runic lyrics, written down around 1300. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 17 Apr 2013, 09:48
Clinton made a bad first impression.
Then he made a bad second impression.

Amusingly though, he's in the middle of a similar defensive reaction against Marten as he triggered in Marten by making an ass of himself to Hanners.

Oh how the tables have turned!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 11:41
Quote from: K1dmor
We don't know that much about his life (just maybe that he have a job as an AI "consultor", or make interviews, surveys, etc).

Isn't he a student? We can guess his major.

Quote from: ZoeB
I know it's been mentioned before... but I think it needs emphasising.

Based on a whole heap of objective anatomical and consequent psychological evidence... not just subjective self-assessments...

Claire has always been his sister. She just didn't always look like it. Understand that, really accept it, you understand everything, it all makes sense, and is all so simple.

Try looking at the situation any other way, there will always be puzzlements and "wha....??" moments,  things that don't jell.

Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?

I wish all trans people had family members as supportive as Clinton.

Quote from: ZoeB
-confusing things in English-

Would you like to repost that in the English is Weird thread?

Quote from: Valdís
to the point of the same word being written the same way in completely different languages.

A potential upside.


Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Latias on 17 Apr 2013, 12:21
Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?

I can't speak on behalf of the community and I don't claim to represent it, but the way I see it, what you're saying is just wrong, and I'm not sure you understand. Way too much emphasis is placed on transition, people make a big deal out of what should be completely irrelevant. Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person. She may have been born with some male traits, physically, but that doesn't change who she is, or was, at all. She's just Claire, and she's always been Claire. Think of "transition" like, say, surgery for a heart condition - do you think of that person any differently because they had surgery for a heart condition? Presumably it doesn't even cross your mind. In the same way that surgery for a heart condition is a non-factor, "transition" should be a non-factor in your mind.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 12:28
A potential upside.

Of course, wasn't saying otherwise, but it's in relation to pronunciation. So if it's the same in multiple languages it'd be like "Science" and "Vetenskap" both being represented by 科学 . Doesn't really say a pronunciation for either one, so doesn't help with Zoe's issue. It seems like a highly limited and overall negative upside when one could just learn the word "Science". I mean, I'm not all that good at Russian, but I can still easily get their alphabet to read signs and such. When I was down in Greece I got by okay too with trying to reverse engineer Cyrillic back to Greek.

But if you don't know a particular Hanzi/Kanji? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 17 Apr 2013, 12:37
I can't speak on behalf of the community and I don't claim to represent it, but the way I see it, what you're saying is just wrong, and I'm not sure you understand. Way too much emphasis is placed on transition, people make a big deal out of what should be completely irrelevant. Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person. She may have been born with some male traits, physically, but that doesn't change who she is, or was, at all. She's just Claire, and she's always been Claire. Think of "transition" like, say, surgery for a heart condition - do you think of that person any differently because they had surgery for a heart condition? Presumably it doesn't even cross your mind. In the same way that surgery for a heart condition is a non-factor, "transition" should be a non-factor in your mind.

"Should be" and "is" are often two different things. What's being speculated upon here is not how Clinton should have thought about Claire, but how he actually thought about her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 12:47
Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?

If it did, he would've been wrong. Also I seriously doubt he'd look at it like that anymore at all, what-with being a good person and all. If he ever did in the first place.

Viewing coming out as a "Gender change" is quite egregiously wrong, to be honest, and at the root of a lot of transphobia.

What's being speculated upon here is not how Clinton should have thought about Claire, but how he actually thought about her.

Not editing in this to my last post as intended, since it applies here too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Apr 2013, 13:48
I personally look on being transgender as a kind or birth defect. One that doesn't show up usually until later in life. Though more and more kids are feeling free enough to express themselves very early, and are blessed with parents who accept and help them, rather than repress.  But like people with other birth defects, we get a lot of ridicule, bulling outright discrimination or hatred for something we never chose and had no control over. In some cases treatment and surgery can deal with the problem and allow the person to live what some people would call a 'normal' life. Or more accurately live in a way more comfortable to themselves. But if someone had their eyes fixed, or their hearing restored or their legs fixed, that doesn't change who they are. They aren't suddenly 'ex-cripples' as some people would rudely call them. They are just people. It's the same thing with trans people. We are just people. People who got dealt with this particular raw deal of birth. Transitioning doesn't change who or what we are. We don't go from 'male' to 'female' or vice versa.. or any other combination. We are just changing our outsides to be more in matching of who we really are.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 13:59
Understood, but when discussing Clinton's experience of the transition, isn't that what it looked like to him?

I can't speak on behalf of the community and I don't claim to represent it, but the way I see it, what you're saying is just wrong, and I'm not sure you understand. Way too much emphasis is placed on transition, people make a big deal out of what should be completely irrelevant. Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person. She may have been born with some male traits, physically, but that doesn't change who she is, or was, at all. She's just Claire, and she's always been Claire. Think of "transition" like, say, surgery for a heart condition - do you think of that person any differently because they had surgery for a heart condition? Presumably it doesn't even cross your mind. In the same way that surgery for a heart condition is a non-factor, "transition" should be a non-factor in your mind.


Let's talk further, over in the trans issues thread in Discuss.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Latias on 17 Apr 2013, 14:12
"Should be" and "is" are often two different things. What's being speculated upon here is not how Clinton should have thought about Claire, but how he actually thought about her.

Unless my memory is failing me, there is absolutely nothing in the comic / anything surrounding the comic that suggests Clinton did anything wrong. In addition, Jeph has made it clear that his stance with Claire is to show inclusiveness, not conflict. To me, to suggest that Clinton may have viewed Claire differently is completely baseless speculation and feels like a suggestion from someone who doesn't fully understand the implications of what they're suggesting. I'm open to the possibility that my interpretation of the situation may be wrong, that's just how I see it.

Edit:
Let's talk further, over in the trans issues thread in Discuss.

Whoops, didn't see this. Sorry, I did not intend to derail this thread.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 17 Apr 2013, 14:20
Whoops, didn't see this. Sorry, I did not intend to derail this thread.

Don't see how you could be, given that the current comics are of Claire and trans* issues.

If anything it was our language-talk that was off-topic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 14:25
What is unmistakable is that Clinton is the kind of family member every trans person should have and that far too many don't have.

I wonder how much is because he's a DHB and how much is because they had to stick together to ride out the divorce.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheBiscuit on 17 Apr 2013, 14:31
Clinton made a bad first impression.
Then he made a bad second impression.
Then (for me) a bad third, a bad fourth, and... how many appearances has he made so far?

Just because he's kind to his sister doesn't make him in any way a tolerable character for me. If I see he's in it, I skip the day's strip.

A day with no strip at all is better than a strip with Clinton in it for me.
But Jeph can write whatever he wants  :-) Even if that's not your cup of tea.
I am very sorry that I dared to have a preference. I shall return immediately to praising the great lord Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Apr 2013, 14:49
Clinton is pretty awesome for being supportive and protective of Claire, even if overprotective at times. I would have wished for a brother like that instead of, well... I haven't spoken to my blood relations in over a decade.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 15:13
I hope Claire's parents turn out to be better than that.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 17 Apr 2013, 15:24
Actually, HAVE we heard anything about their parents?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Drostan on 17 Apr 2013, 15:27
Actually, HAVE we heard anything about their parents?

It was linked earlier, but yes: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2371
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 17 Apr 2013, 17:33
Oh that's right. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111107003558/runescape/images/1/1f/Emoticon-Facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 17 Apr 2013, 17:58
Jeez Clinton. just when I was beginning to think you wern't such a twat.   :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Apr 2013, 18:36
Claire isn't a "trans person", she's just a person.

That Jeph is writing her accordingly has pleased a lot of people (in addition to being good art per se).

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 18 Apr 2013, 00:19
 New Comic!

 The fact that he said "Which one?" instead of "No" scares me  :psyduck: .
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 18 Apr 2013, 00:20
I'm not sure what to make of today's comic, but I do like Emily referring to Clinton as Mister Robot Hand. :-D

Mega Man doesn't really mean anything to me, it's not a game I've ever seen, or has particularly ever come up before, so I'm not quite sure what Emily's surprise is for, unless she's running off to see about acquiring the later titles.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mordhaus on 18 Apr 2013, 00:21
For some reason as she is running off, I hear Adam West yelling "To the Batmobile, Robin!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 18 Apr 2013, 00:22
I read is as if Emily has already played the later Mega Man games without knowing about the new feature, and now want to play them again with her newfound knowledge.

Warning - while you were wasting time a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

*Sigh*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Apr 2013, 00:24
Now I want to see an epic battle.

Clintonhand vs. Pintsize vs. Deathbot 9000 vs. Vespabot

...vs Momo vs. Squirrel.

I have only seen the Megaman anime.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 18 Apr 2013, 00:24
Oh, Emily.  Don't ever ch–

Aaaaaugh noooooooo!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 00:28
Next strip is Emily slamming into someone on her way home and beginning an arc of character development for her.

I'm thinking Sven.  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Apr 2013, 00:30
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Apr 2013, 00:31
Ugh, Clinton just introduced Emily to the worst thing that ever happened to the Mega Man franchise.

"Hey fellow Capcom employees, we're renowned for making some of the most awesome videogame music ever, so how about in all our future Mega Man games we give Mega Man an ability that the players would be foolish not to use, and also make it give off a constant high-pitched WEE WEE WEE WEE WEE sound to drown out the kickin' midi tunes?"

I really like the Night Watch novels by Sergey Lukyanenko. There you have an additional dimension, the Twilight, which you can enter with magic. It amplifies your abilities and makes you immaterial to people in the real world and you can still manipulate the real world. The downsides are that it continiously drains your magical energy and that sounds are stifled etc.

The games have really beautiful music. Except you spend half of it in combat. And, you guessed it. Normal music is not present when you are in the Twilight. And you must enter Twilight, because the enemy does. *rage*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sorflakne on 18 Apr 2013, 00:36
Emily's mind = blown
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 00:36
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?
A bundle of energy like that would be warm in a snowstorm.

Hey, haven't we seen that second panel background before? Momo and the squirrel maybe, or Marten and Angus's slapfight?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Apr 2013, 00:40
Hmmm... I maybe she didn't know about the MegaMan games AFTER MM3?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 18 Apr 2013, 00:47
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?

Air conditioning?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 18 Apr 2013, 01:15
(http://spacewars.smfforfree.com/Smileys/users/spacewars/rotflz.gif)

But seriously, Emily+Clinton?  :psyduck:

No, down ship, down.

(http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_67356.jpg)

Behave.... Good ship.

(http://th00.deviantart.net/fs38/150/f/2008/327/c/7/Ben_10__Ship_by_GizmoGremlin77.jpg)

(my sister loves this show, ok? :P)

also, emily's head looks kinda weird to me in the second frame.  :psyduck:

I love how Clinton didn't say "no"  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheBiscuit on 18 Apr 2013, 01:24
Mega Man doesn't really mean anything to me, it's not a game I've ever seen, or has particularly ever come up before, so I'm not quite sure what Emily's surprise is for, unless she's running off to see about acquiring the later titles.
Maybe she already has a Mega Man Mega Collection, and could never quite get anywhere with the later ones. Now she is armed with new knowledge, she actually stands more of a chance, maybe...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 18 Apr 2013, 02:50
Hey, haven't we seen that second panel background before? Momo and the squirrel maybe, or Marten and Angus's slapfight?

Yep. Also Faye and Padma's street sparring, and Elliot's enthusiastic high five. Jeph likes it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 18 Apr 2013, 04:46
New Comic!

 The fact that he said "Which one?" instead of "No" scares me  :psyduck: .

Personally, I rather liked how he delivered it with a straight face
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CleoKat on 18 Apr 2013, 05:20
Next strip is Emily slamming into someone on her way home and beginning an arc of character development for her.

I'm thinking Sven.  :evil:

I'd really love to see some development of Emily's character but I'm not sure a relationship would work. I do really miss Sven and although I don't think Emily is right for him that's mostly because Emily doesn't have much depth of character. She's just zany and off-beat and when I compare her to Hannelore or Marigold who have wackier moments she seems so shallow. She behaves as if she's younger than Sam (who is a hundred kinds of awesome) so a relationship arc feels a little creepy.

I'm not giving up on Emily, I'm just hanging in here trying to be patient while Jeph does his thing. And secretly hoping for more Sven :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 18 Apr 2013, 05:38
Poor Emily...she's gonna die of Terminal Worldview Collapse. And all before she can come back, clarify her question to Clinton, and have him give her a resounding "No."

Maybe he does shoot blasters. :psyduck: After all, it does have a murder mode...but then again, so do the rest of us.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LordVaughn on 18 Apr 2013, 06:07
I kind of want to try playing later games without the charge. It makes me wonder if she somehow managed to beat them by doing so.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 18 Apr 2013, 06:55
I could never get after the moving platforms at the beginning of the Guts Man level, and over the decades I've made fresh attempts every few years. Still can't.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 18 Apr 2013, 07:05
Maybe she is.running out of fear. His response implies that his  hand has weapons attachments,  it is just unclear which game they resemble.

I too am unfamiliar with the game as I have never been into video games.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 18 Apr 2013, 07:24
Ugh, Clinton just introduced Emily to the worst thing that ever happened to the Mega Man franchise.

"Hey fellow Capcom employees, we're renowned for making some of the most awesome videogame music ever, so how about in all our future Mega Man games we give Mega Man an ability that the players would be foolish not to use, and also make it give off a constant high-pitched WEE WEE WEE WEE WEE sound to drown out the kickin' midi tunes?"

What I hated about charged shots is it made the pea shooter good. The pea shooter's not supposed to be good. When it's good it hurts mega mans entire gimmick, stealing powers from bosses.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 18 Apr 2013, 07:34
Clinton very effectively demonstrates the Nerd Snipe (the Unladen Swallow variant). :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 18 Apr 2013, 10:18
 Could it be that the only console Emily ever know was the SNES (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2295)? (and the few games she have).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Apr 2013, 10:51
Emily's mind = blown

It has been for a long time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Apr 2013, 11:19
Next strip is Emily slamming into someone on her way home and beginning an arc of character development for her.

I'm thinking Sven.  :evil:
She bumps into Sven who is still reading the same book and drops it again. She reads the whole thing that night and changes her major to history the next day.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: maxh on 18 Apr 2013, 11:20
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?
Because she's Emily. No further explanation should be needed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 18 Apr 2013, 11:29
Quote from: The Poll
Poll:
So, just what exactly *did* happen to Mieville?

That moth he ate was full of dreamshit so he morphed into a sabre toothed tiger and is currently terrorizing Hubbardston.     - 8 (12.7%)
Learned how to travel through time/dimensions and was used as a bridge between Heinlein's later novels and Dr Who       - 16 (25.4%)
Scratched the curtains, got turned in to the humane society, and has been readopted by a area family of cartoonists    - 6 (9.5%)
Went to VEGAS, BABY!    - 20 (31.7%)
Got kidnapped by Station as a way to coerce Hanners to come up to visit more often.    - 9 (14.3%)
Other?    - 4 (6.3%)

Total Members Voted: 63

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 18 Apr 2013, 11:32
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?

Huh? Are libraries particularly cold in America or something? What? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mad Cat on 18 Apr 2013, 11:39
Where'd Emily's clipboard go?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 18 Apr 2013, 11:47
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?

The current storylines take place in summer. They're summer interns, after all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 11:58
I'd really love to see some development of Emily's character but I'm not sure a relationship would work. I do really miss Sven and although I don't think Emily is right for him that's mostly because Emily doesn't have much depth of character. She's just zany and off-beat and when I compare her to Hannelore or Marigold who have wackier moments she seems so shallow. She behaves as if she's younger than Sam (who is a hundred kinds of awesome) so a relationship arc feels a little creepy.

I'm not giving up on Emily, I'm just hanging in here trying to be patient while Jeph does his thing. And secretly hoping for more Sven :)
Precisely why she needs Character Developmenttm, and who better to help her than a guy that's gotten much more grounded lately himself!

How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?
Huh? Are libraries particularly cold in America or something? What? :psyduck:
Large buildings, be they offices or public or factories, have a tendency to be cold, often around 65-70 degrees F (18-21 C). The possible reasons range from disdain for sweatiness to over-insulated obese people to master temp being controlled by morons (many buildings have only one control for temperature and some dummy thermostats scattered about) to leaky modern construction. It's kind of maddening to me where I work since it hovers on the cusp of jacket/no jacket.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 18 Apr 2013, 12:09
When I went on my tour of the Western US, I found that the hotter the weather, the more clothes I needed to carry around to put on indoors to avoid getting a chill!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Apr 2013, 12:10
How is the library warm enough for a woman to be comfortable in a tank top and shorts?

Huh? Are libraries particularly cold in America or something? What? :psyduck:

In America we are all about wasting energy, and one of the classic ways to to it is to run the air conditioning too high in public buildings.

Anyway I think of tank top and shorts as something you don't even begin to consider until 25 Celsius, and that's with a male BMR.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Apr 2013, 12:17
My cold tolerance tends to be pretty good, and my heat tolerance pretty poor.

As in, I like to do serious exertion in the 50-60 F range, and I wear a moderately light jacket (one that's thin enough to wear even when it's 70 F out, if it's raining) even when it's below 0 F.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 18 Apr 2013, 12:22
50-60 is very hot for any serious physical exertion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Apr 2013, 12:27
Well, when I'm doing exertion, I usually end up getting sweaty no matter what, and I want nothing covering my head, but my ears will get cold very easily (especially if I'm cycling). The rest of my body is usually fine down to about 30 F (although if it's significantly below freezing, I'll get lung pain).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ScruffCardinale on 18 Apr 2013, 12:29
Was told I should specify my vote for "other". I think Steve would be an awesome sibling. Seems like a good "bro" to Marten and would probably be similar to an actual related sibling.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Apr 2013, 12:46
I chose Raven because she seems to be low-maintenance, intelligent and quirky enough to be amusing, but not quirky enough to be annoying.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 18 Apr 2013, 13:00
I'mmona go with Sven. No particular reason, just got a pretty nice image of it.

While Claire and I would probably get along well as bookish types it's.. troublesome enough being the one transgender kid. I know someone who worried about not being taken seriously at all because someone at the same school had already come out. Statistically more transgender people than average etc.


@Loki: I'd end up worrying for her, though.

have a tendency to be cold, often around 65-70 degrees F (18-21 C).

You think 18-21 C is cold? That's adorable! That's like summer-temperatures here, so definitely tank-top weather on my end. On the other hand your "Optimal" temperature of 25.6 Celsius sounds too hot for me, so goes both ways. Guess I'll just have to keep you warm over here.. and you better have air-conditioning over there. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Apr 2013, 13:10
Worrying? Why? I am still of the opinion she is smarter than she usually pretends to be.

In fact, I am not sure if Raven isn't a benevolent psychopath (is there such a thing?) wearing a "dumb mask" all the time. If she continuously pretends to be naive, it's kinda hard to tell her true nature.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 13:33
my ears will get cold very easily (especially if I'm cycling).
Earsocks need to be a thing. A socially accepted thing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Apr 2013, 13:56
50-60 is very hot for any serious physical exertion.

Fahrenheit.

Adult Sven seems to be a good brother but Dora still has emotional scars from teenage Sven.

Marigold would be low maintenance but there'd be the endless task of protecting her from bullies.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 18 Apr 2013, 14:09
My cold tolerance tends to be pretty good, and my heat tolerance pretty poor.

As in, I like to do serious exertion in the 50-60 F range, and I wear a moderately light jacket (one that's thin enough to wear even when it's 70 F out, if it's raining) even when it's below 0 F.
^this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Apr 2013, 14:56
have a tendency to be cold, often around 65-70 degrees F (18-21 C).

You think 18-21 C is cold? That's adorable! That's like summer-temperatures.

Not only is it summer temperatures, it's also too warm for my taste… If it were up to me, I would have +13°C in the summer, and -15°C in the winter. Well. I'm a strange person sometimes. It's because of the heat. It's too warm here. Definitely the heat.  :roll:

Also our flat is directly under the roof, so I rarely ever have to use the radiator. I would prefer temperatures of around 17°C indoors, but currently, when I return from school we have 25°C in the whole flat. And summer hasn't even really started yet. Well, and my room's window opens into some kind of a back courtyard, so the air is barely moving in my room when I open all the windows in the flat.

Well, I just looked at the forecast. Today we had 16°C outside, tomorrow we will have 7°C and -3°C and snow at night… Well, at least it won't be so warm anymore! Woo!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 15:01
Not only is it summer temperatures, it's also too warm for my taste… If it were up to me, I would have +13°C in the summer, and -15°C in the winter. Well. I'm a strange person sometimes. It's because of the heat. It's too warm here. Definitely the heat.  :roll:

Also our flat is directly under the roof, so I rarely ever have to use the radiator. I would prefer temperatures of around 17°C indoors, but currently, when I return from school we have 25°C in the whole flat. And summer hasn't even really started yet. Well, and my room's window opens into some kind of a back courtyard, so the air is barely moving in my room when I open all the windows in the flat.

Well, I just looked at the forecast. Today we had 16°C outside, tomorrow we will have 7°C and -3°C and snow at night… Well, at least it won't be so warm anymore! Woo!
We're not talking about outside temperatures though, we're talking about building temperatures. For humans, 72 F (78 was a typo) is the temperature at which heat created by metabolism and lost due to dissipation are at equilibrium, so 65-70 is cold in relation to that for people sitting in an office trying to do paper and computer work. I'm up and about running a scanner (and I arrive when it's still 55 F outside), and my 65 F office still has me shrugging in and out of a jacket all day.

As was mentioned about exercise, when metabolism is amped up it's good for the temperature to be lower to compensate.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Apr 2013, 15:05
well, then I completely missed the point. Welp. Sorry. (I blame this on me being supposed to be sleeping for two hours already…)

Anyway, 78°F? 25.56°C? That's too warm for me. Far too warm. Everything above 70 is really uncomfortable to me, be it indoors or outdoors.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 18 Apr 2013, 15:16
Is that 72 (aka 22) figure for a naked body, though?  My metabolism is slower than a younger person's - just through age - but I'm comfortable in a T-shirt in the lower 60s (aka 16-17).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 18 Apr 2013, 15:22
Is that 72 (aka 22) figure for a naked body, though?  My metabolism is slower than a younger person's - just through age - but I'm comfortable in a T-shirt in the lower 60s (aka 16-17).
I'm just remembering what I've read from trivia and QA books. Here's some sourcing when I search on the topic.

http://www.pa.msu.edu/sciencet/ask_st/031297.html (http://www.pa.msu.edu/sciencet/ask_st/031297.html)
http://epb.apogee.net/res/refcomf.asp (http://epb.apogee.net/res/refcomf.asp)
http://courses.washington.edu/me333afe/Comfort_Health.pdf (http://courses.washington.edu/me333afe/Comfort_Health.pdf)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 18 Apr 2013, 15:40
hey, wait a sec... who's been re-editing the poll?

mods?

:D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 18 Apr 2013, 15:47
Puts up hand...

You had Mieville there twice, so I changed one to Sven's missing cat - and adding Emily seemed obvious on a day that she's in the comic.  As no-one had voted, no choices were affected.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 18 Apr 2013, 17:38
Emily:  She likes video games!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 18 Apr 2013, 17:42
Puts up hand...

You had Mieville there twice, so I changed one to Sven's missing cat - and adding Emily seemed obvious on a day that she's in the comic.  As no-one had voted, no choices were affected.

totally fine... I should have guessed that you guys could do that. I thought it would be funny to have duplicate entries, but additional felines are fine too
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Apr 2013, 18:11
Wait, where's Randy?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 18 Apr 2013, 18:23
I could probably relate most closely to Marigold as a sibling, but we'd have to keep Hanners on retainer as cleaning specialist, because I'm just as messy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 18 Apr 2013, 18:40
Where'd Emily's clipboard go?

Into Clipboard Space - it's one dimension over from Hammer Space


Is it just me, or did Clinton just out Emily Emily?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: maxh on 18 Apr 2013, 21:33
If it were up to me, I would have +13°C in the summer, and -15°C in the winter.
Erm... water freezes at 0 °C. Humans are mostly water. Wouldn't extended periods in temperatures 0 °C or below be deadly?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 18 Apr 2013, 21:43
And Mieville spoils it. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Apr 2013, 21:44
I was talking about outside temperatures, and at -15°C I will seldomly go outside without my jacket and gloves. Also I agree that -5°C can become  uncomfortable when standing or sitting around for over an hour, but my main means of transport is my bike. The air is really nice when it's so cold, so clean. I prefer low temperatures. (low on the Celsius scale, not on the Kelvin scale)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 18 Apr 2013, 21:45
If it were up to me, I would have +13°C in the summer, and -15°C in the winter.
Erm... water freezes at 0 °C. Humans are mostly water. Wouldn't extended periods in temperatures 0 °C or below be deadly?
Humans have fatty tissue that isolates from the cold and is able to preserve a rather consistent body temperature.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Apr 2013, 21:47
I think my ideal temperature is about 20 C and breezy, but I can be comfortable anywhere from 5 to 30 in a t-shirt and jeans, and down to -15 or so with a light jacket or sweatshirt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 18 Apr 2013, 21:56
(Shh, new comic guys!)

 Mieville saw some things...I bet it's not the first time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Apr 2013, 22:00
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Apr 2013, 22:02
This reminds me of Winslow walking in on Hanners viewing the firemen pictures.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 18 Apr 2013, 22:03
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…

Staring contest, obviously.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 18 Apr 2013, 22:08
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…

 I guess she just played with her pussy, that's all...

Oh Please, kill me....
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 18 Apr 2013, 22:14
This reminds me of Winslow walking in on Hanners viewing the firemen pictures.

You too, huh?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 18 Apr 2013, 22:17
oh melville. *shakes head*

Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Apr 2013, 22:20
look at the clock…
Nearly 10 hours? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 18 Apr 2013, 22:21
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…

 I guess she just played with her pussy, that's all...

Oh Please, kill me....


*Sends in a Hit Team*


She should just let Meiville read it over her shoulder and be done with it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 18 Apr 2013, 22:23
Emily:  She likes video games!

Well, yeah. I'm guessing that Super Nintendo didn't belong to her parents!  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 18 Apr 2013, 22:25
Reminds me of the first strip ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 18 Apr 2013, 22:25
So, secret new poll: which porn site is today's comic based on?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Toe on 18 Apr 2013, 22:28
"Mow?"

"Uh... yes, Mieville, they ARE mowed down there..."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Apr 2013, 22:58
All of them?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: candlejack on 18 Apr 2013, 23:51
I've been a fan of this comic for a while now. Hannelore being my favorite character (Yeah I wish Jeph would ship her with Martin.) I really enjoy the new editions of the cast but Claire is a confusing little puzzle. Calm down, I'm not hating on her or anything, she is pretty awesome. I know that she came out as a trans but I'm not sure if she means transgendered or transexual?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Apr 2013, 23:52
Momo as a little sister would be freaking awesome... but also kinda awkward given her anime set up. Thankfully she seems more likely to punch me then call me "Onii-chan" or some crap. Come on Momo, big brother is going to teach you to fight the power today!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 19 Apr 2013, 00:13
I know that she came out as a trans but I'm not sure if she means transgendered or transexual?

Pop down to the Discuss! subforum, and you will find a couple of active threads containing extensive discussion of trans*terminology and what being trans* means in real life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 19 Apr 2013, 00:35
Momo as a little sister would be freaking awesome... but also kinda awkward given her anime set up. Thankfully she seems more likely to punch me then call me "Onii-chan" or some crap. Come on Momo, big brother is going to teach you to fight the power today!
Oh god.  :psyduck: momo being trained as the most adorable (and badass) marine ever.

The mental image.  It's incredible.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 19 Apr 2013, 00:50
One wonders how she'd get on if Gunny Hartman were her DI
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Apr 2013, 01:03
Eh probably better then most, she's smart enough to get the mind games that are played in boot camp. Also she doesn't get physically tired.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Apr 2013, 01:16
She also is good at pursuing something wholeheartedly and at loyalty.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: gopher on 19 Apr 2013, 01:34
Looks like Tai is providing enough of the good stuff.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 19 Apr 2013, 01:35
sexydudepartytimes.com has a very similar colour scheme and layout to a certain webcomic...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 19 Apr 2013, 01:58
The domain sexydudespartytime.com sees to be available for 11.59$ per year.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jynto on 19 Apr 2013, 02:05
And 2428 comics later, we've come full circle (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1). Kinda.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 19 Apr 2013, 03:11
Claire is a confusing little puzzle. Calm down, I'm not hating on her or anything, she is pretty awesome. I know that she came out as a trans but I'm not sure if she means transgendered or transexual?
Long answer - please try reading through these threads:
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28499.0.html
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html

Short answer - "transitioning" usually implies "transsexual". But not all transsexual people require, or want surgery. For details - see long answer.

postscript - no, no-one with two neurons to fire in sequence thinks you're a hater. We know them when we see them, just as we don't confuse a camera flash for a 5 megaton H-bomb. The two are easily distinguishable.  :laugh:

Also - haters are not necessarily assholes. Often they're merely tragically misinformed. And yes, it's confusing, and puzzling, even for the well-informed. Feel free to ask questions in the threads above. I suggest reading through them first, I think most of your questions would already be answered there somewhere...sometimes more than once, as different people have different opinions.

Now that we've split the thread, I'm intrigued as to  Dora's taste in, um, visual relationships. Intellectually, bisexuality makes more sense to me than anything else, but apparently I'm straight. Despite being in love with someone of the same sex. "It's complicated" was invented for such as we.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 19 Apr 2013, 03:13

Now that we've split the thread, I'm intrigued as to Faye's taste in, um, visual relationships.

I assume you mean Dora.

Also, I forgot to mention it, but for a moment Dora looked like Emily to me, and I was confused why Mieville was suddenly there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 19 Apr 2013, 04:13
Also, I forgot to mention it, but for a moment Dora looked like Emily to me
i thought that too for the first frame  xD
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 19 Apr 2013, 04:15
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…

 I guess she just played with her pussy, that's all...

Oh Please, kill me....

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15tnnBLAs1qa8tjqo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 19 Apr 2013, 04:33
Also, I forgot to mention it, but for a moment Dora looked like Emily to me
i thought that too for the first frame  xD

So... did you two assume that Emily ran off yesterday not because of anything Clinton said, but because she remembered she had an urgent appointment with sexy dudes totally doing it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 19 Apr 2013, 04:50
In retrospect what I was meaning to say was the first fans she was actually IN (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/Smileys/qc/facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 19 Apr 2013, 05:06
Claire is a confusing little puzzle. Calm down, I'm not hating on her or anything, she is pretty awesome. I know that she came out as a trans but I'm not sure if she means transgendered or transexual?

What Zoe said, but also: She is both, but which you use is opt-in (and different outside the Anglosphere). Even some who are transitioning will opt to use Transgender either from preferring it or to avoid stupid stigmas. Such as some people viewing the "sexual" as not meaning "the sexes" or literally just using it as a synonym for "Whore"*. Some will reject Transgender from being associated with things like Crossdressing, which is completely unrelated, but generally under the umbrella.

I probably prefer Transgender myself, despite both being on hormone replacement and living in a country where the word "Gender" doesn't exist. :psyduck:

*I can't speak to its veracity, but another girl told me that in Italy they even use it to mean GAY MALE WHORE, so that's certainly an association I can understand wanting to avoid.

Also - haters are not necessarily assholes. Often they're merely tragically misinformed.

[Unrelated to Candlejack]

Uhm, Zoe, that can be said for literally any social injustice throughout history. Most hateful people are "tragically misinformed". I'd say it depends entirely on how they act. People aren't not-assholes just because they think of themselves as good, or because the groups they're bad towards are sufficiently marginalized by society.

That doesn't mean they can't change, of course. Like I said in some other COMIC-discussion I'm on pretty decent terms with some former bullies. They were still assholes. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ChaoSera on 19 Apr 2013, 05:48
Also, I forgot to mention it, but for a moment Dora looked like Emily to me
i thought that too for the first frame  xD
Same here, I was very confused when suddenly Mieville was there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 19 Apr 2013, 06:17
Wait, is Dora now a "Lipstick Lesbian?" This strip confuses me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arancaytar on 19 Apr 2013, 06:27
Wait, is Dora now a "Lipstick Lesbian?" This strip confuses me.

She's never been exclusively lesbian...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Apr 2013, 06:47
Wait, is Dora now a "Lipstick Lesbian?" This strip confuses me.

She's never been exclusively lesbian...

She's very much bi-sexual...As evidenced by the fact we know that she's maybe only been with 1 or two other girls previously before Tai.

My head tells me this is Jeph trolling again and Dora is just having some fun-o watching the porno and the kitty-kat made her feel guilty.

After all, Tai is never gonna be interested in dudes. Just curious what Tai would say if she knew Dora liked the yaoi like Marbear does. :-P

Ah so one reason I never thought Tai and Dora were right or made sense comes up.  It may not be anything other than Dora increasingly missing being with men that breaks em up.

I mean, I think Dora will always like the male population.  Especially if her counseling has begun to fix her trust issues with men.  She may have...cravings.

Ok, I'll stop now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 19 Apr 2013, 07:22
Reminds me of the whole Erin/Jamie mess in Girls with Slingshots. Dora misses something. Let's just hope Tai is handy with a strapon. We all know Dora does not use a strapon. (That sounded way less awkward in my head...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Apr 2013, 07:36
Reminds me of the whole Erin/Jamie mess in Girls with Slingshots. Dora misses something. Let's just hope Tai is handy with a strapon. We all know Dora does not use a strapon. (That sounded way less awkward in my head...)

It's QC.  We live on awkwardness.  Though to be fair, there's probably a difference between the ole' strapon and actually being with a bloke.  (Not that I know, I'm not female).  I imagine we'll be seeing this again.  Dora's "missing something" that is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 19 Apr 2013, 07:48
Is she "missing something" or just looking at porn?
Being bi is not the same as being a nymphomaniac, nor does it entail an irresistible urge to "even things out" when you're with one or other of the two genders you're interested in.

I find myself strangely disappointed by the display of implicit prejudice here, since today's strip went up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 19 Apr 2013, 07:52
just looking at porn

Yeah, I agree. Porn doesn't really need much grounding like that. I mean, it's guy/guy, but that doesn't imply she's transgender either.

Any excuse to post Fresh Meat, though~

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5396/josiestrapon.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 19 Apr 2013, 07:53
I really don't think we're expected to read too much into her choice of porn.  It's just her porn.

Also, I didn't notice the clock until it was pointed out.  Ten hours?  Is the idea supposed to be that she'd expose herself to Mieville by standing up, and so doesn't want to?  Whatever it is, that is one patient cat.  And Dora's legs are going to hurt like fuck tomorrow.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 19 Apr 2013, 07:56
Also, I forgot to mention it, but for a moment Dora looked like Emily to me
i thought that too for the first frame  xD
Same here, I was very confused when suddenly Mieville was there.

Holy crap! I figured it out: Emily's a shapeshifter! She might be either Dora OR Mieville! :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somebody on 19 Apr 2013, 07:57
look at the clock…
Nearly 10 hours? :psyduck:
Jeph's trolling us, knowing the "average" reader won't notice. Since he reuses backgrounds, it takes more effort to change from 6:02 to 3:51 than, say, 6:02 to 6:12...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RedWolf4 on 19 Apr 2013, 07:59
ahem. What have these two done between the two last panels? look at the clock…

 I guess she just played with her pussy, that's all...

Oh Please, kill me....

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15tnnBLAs1qa8tjqo1_1280.jpg)

I say old chap, good call.

Also, on the porn, I agree, Dora's choice in viewing material is just that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Apr 2013, 08:32
There are lots of guys who like to watch lesbian porn, so why couldn't a woman enjoy watching gay porn?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Apr 2013, 08:39
There are lots of guys who like to watch lesbian porn, so why couldn't a woman enjoy watching gay porn?

As I said, it's likely Jeph was just trolling as showing Dora having the fun with some man porno. 

Though I don't see any reason why Dora, who is very much bi-sexual and has mostly been with guys, couldn't miss male companionship.  Not like it's a far out assumption to make.  But yea, it is a heavy assumption. 

Most likely Dora creeped out by the cat.  Cat's like watching the freaky freaky. Little pervs. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Apr 2013, 09:17
I would like to point out that one of the most common, and sometimes insulting, myths about bisexual people is that we 'need' both men and women (or others) to be satisfied. That being in a relationship with someone will make us long for or be unfaithful with someone of the other gender than our partner. This is no more likely to happen someone who is hetero or homosexual missing sex with other people.  Neither is watching porn being unfaithful.

I've had people tell me that before, that bisexual people cannot be faithful, they'll always cheat with someone of the opposite sex than their partner. And I can say that for myself, that has never happened. Or for most of the people that I've known who are bi. Being bi doesn't mean you require sex from people of all sorts of genders, just that you can be attracted to people of all sorts of genders...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 19 Apr 2013, 10:17
Though to be fair, there's probably a difference between the ole' strapon and actually being with a bloke.  (Not that I know, I'm not female). 
Um.. while prudish, prim and proper as I am, even I know that's no barrier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend_Over_Boyfriend

Though I have to say that I don't know either - and I *am* female.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Apr 2013, 10:30
I would like to point out that one of the most common, and sometimes insulting, myths about bisexual people is that we 'need' both men and women (or others) to be satisfied. That being in a relationship with someone will make us long for or be unfaithful with someone of the other gender than our partner. This is no more likely to happen someone who is hetero or homosexual missing sex with other people.  Neither is watching porn being unfaithful.

I've had people tell me that before, that bisexual people cannot be faithful, they'll always cheat with someone of the opposite sex than their partner. And I can say that for myself, that has never happened. Or for most of the people that I've known who are bi. Being bi doesn't mean you require sex from people of all sorts of genders, just that you can be attracted to people of all sorts of genders...

And that isn't what I was saying at all.  Assuming that's what I meant is insulting as well.

It all depends on the degree of bi-sexuality.  I've known people who are a perfect 50/50 split attraction level to both sexes.

I've also known people who self-describe themselves as "hetero-flexible" where, while they have bi-sexual tendencies (i.e. attraction to both sexes and have been intimate with both sexes) they prefer settling down with either say a.) a female or feel more inclined to settle down with b.) a male depending on which one they are attracted the most to and desire a committed relationship with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Apr 2013, 10:59
We do have evidence that Dora is hornier than average, and no evidence that she and Tai are doing anything yet that meets her physical needs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Apr 2013, 11:02
We do have evidence that Dora is hornier than average, and no evidence that she and Tai are doing anything yet that meets her physical needs.

That's true.  Dora is a horn dog.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Apr 2013, 11:22
(moderator)
Everyone's doing a fine job, by the way, but there's a piece of etiquette for dealing with trans people which this is an opportune time to mention.

We've got several ambassador types on the forum who have, to our benefit and with our gratitude, volunteered to answer questions. This is not something to take for granted or to expect from any trans person you've just met -- most of them, I gather, feel frustrated at best and othered at worst by Oh God Not Those Questions Again Why Can't You Just Talk About The Weather Like You Would With Anyone Else.

Again, people are doing quite well at this. The forum should be proud that it is discussing history, religion, mechanical engineering, and the comic while treating people's brain/bits mismatching with the disregard it deserves.
(/moderator)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 19 Apr 2013, 11:30
I seem to remember a scene in "The kids are alright", where a married, lesbian couple choose to watch gay porn instead of lesbian porn because, as they put it, "men can't fake it" and that most lesbian porn is just two hetero women being paid to touch themselves. It's got something to do with not being able to tell, at least physically, if a woman is attracted, whereas with men it's pretty obvious (because, boner).

Also, do watch the movie.

Warning - while you were typing the moderators have complimented your social skills. You will now be modest and feel awkward.  

Erm, uhhm, I have to say this, and it's probably been beaten to death already, but thanks for giving me so much knowledge about gender, especially cis- and transgender. I won't know if I'll ever meet somebody who does not identify with his sex, but if I do, I'll now be able to respond to such a situation with much more finesse than I'd ever be able to if I hadn't joined this forum.
Thanks.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: tassaron on 19 Apr 2013, 12:30
I doubt that Dora's choice of porn means anything. I think it's unlikely that Jeph would write a subplot about Dora "missing men" now that she is in a gay relationship. That scenario isn't impossible, but portraying it would help to perpetuate a common stereotype about it happening to all (or even many) bi women. Jeph would probably try to avoid doing that with his only bi character.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 19 Apr 2013, 12:36
Welcome, new muffin!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ink slinger on 19 Apr 2013, 12:58
I doubt that Dora's choice of porn means anything. I think it's unlikely that Jeph would write a subplot about Dora "missing men" now that she is in a gay relationship. That scenario isn't impossible, but portraying it would help to perpetuate a common stereotype about it happening to all (or even many) bi women. Jeph would probably try to avoid doing that with his only bi character.

Indeed. Sometimes, porn is just porn. It may be an outlet for fantasies, but doesn't necessarily reflect real "cravings" or whatever.

Just as some dude who favours porn starring red heads is probably not going to breakup with his brunette girlfriend, Dora isn't going to dump Tai for a dude just because she's in the mood for some man-on-man porn.

Also: I'm pretty sure this is mostly about the cat-making-Dora-feel-awkward joke, guys. The specific type of porn is mostly incidental.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Apr 2013, 12:59
I'm sorry. My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It was more an explosion for having to deal with that kind of mind set to often...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: judemorrigan on 19 Apr 2013, 12:59
Consider Dora's reaction in:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/1639

I don't see any reason to read any Big Meaning into today's strip.  I think she's just enjoying some along time with something she enjoys thinking about.  So to speak.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 19 Apr 2013, 13:55
Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.


Wait, that's not the best quote to use here, is it...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Apr 2013, 14:03
Welome, new person!

Your point is well taken.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 19 Apr 2013, 14:04
I doubt that Dora's choice of porn means anything. I think it's unlikely that Jeph would write a subplot about Dora "missing men" now that she is in a gay relationship. That scenario isn't impossible, but portraying it would help to perpetuate a common stereotype about it happening to all (or even many) bi women. Jeph would probably try to avoid doing that with his only bi character.

And I get even more confused. Then again, nobody's ever told me why Yaoi has mixed messages with women (Popular in Japan with women, completely niche and taboo in the USA).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 19 Apr 2013, 14:21
We do have evidence that Dora is hornier than average, and no evidence that she and Tai are doing anything yet that meets her physical needs.

Not really irrefutable evidence, but we have seen them in bed together (2404).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 19 Apr 2013, 14:40
I doubt that Dora's choice of porn means anything. I think it's unlikely that Jeph would write a subplot about Dora "missing men" now that she is in a gay relationship. That scenario isn't impossible, but portraying it would help to perpetuate a common stereotype about it happening to all (or even many) bi women. Jeph would probably try to avoid doing that with his only bi character.

And I get even more confused. Then again, nobody's ever told me why Yaoi has mixed messages with women (Popular in Japan with women, completely niche and taboo in the USA).

Why are you confused? The answer is simple: the porn people watch is only tangentially related to their sexual preferences and correctly inferring anything about those preferences, or even immediate desires, from a single instance is next to impossible.

Especially in this case where we don't even know the surrounding circumstances; I get the distinct impression that most everyone has already assumed that:
A) this is Dora's laptop
B) she is alone other than Mieville
C) she actively searched for that vid, vice being sent it etc.

For all we know, Tai is asleep on the other half of the bed, that's her laptop that she brought to Dora's for some reason, and Dora just found that video in the browser history…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 19 Apr 2013, 14:55
For all we know, Tai is asleep on the other half of the bed,

What "other half" of the bed...?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 19 Apr 2013, 15:13
I figure, viz Dora's taste in matters pornographic, de gustibus non est disputandum and leave it at that. Why should she be required to like or dislike this or that kind of diddly vids? Whatzittoya? A goil, even a pixel goil, can't be curious?

She does, however, seem to be sensitive (and not for the first time) to the (projected) opinion of one particular individual of of the species felis silvestris catus, and therein to me lies the joke of QC Two Thousand Four Hundred and Twenty Nine.

Kind of surprised, really, the fight hasn't already started over whether Dora should or should not be using a MacBook as opposed to a PC laptop. Or even a (gasp) tablet. Now there's a fight to watch. Even more fun to watch than "USS Defiant vs. Millennium Falcon: Who'd win?"

I have more parenthetical phrases and I am not afraid to use them.

EDIT: OK, here's my contribution to the overthink: We know Dora projects her opinions onto Mieville ("No, not murder. You always suggest that") so she lets the cat stand for her slight guilt feelings (because she reads the forums) about watching a guy-on-guy porn site. Not much of an overthink, I admit, but the best I have for now.

EDIT EDIT: Tai's at the foot of the bed, maybe? She is tiny, you know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 19 Apr 2013, 15:17
I get the distinct impression that most everyone has already assumed that:
A) this is Dora's laptop

Why yes we did. What-with it outright telling us that in the top-right corner. ;)

(Or do Macs have something else there?)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 19 Apr 2013, 15:51
[...]

Your use of Latin is a major laudandum.

I can confirm that Macs, indeed, do display the account name there. As, I believe, does Ubuntu.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 19 Apr 2013, 16:04
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: tassaron on 19 Apr 2013, 16:37
Windows keeps track of your homies now? :psyduck:

For what it's worth, I'm running Ubuntu 12.10 and it only shows my name if I actually open the power menu. But this is a bit pointless to talk about, since Dora's computer brand is entirely unambiguous in the comic.

And thanks to everyone who welcomed me! I should have let my first post be an intro thread so as not to derail the discussion but I kinda forgot that I hadn't posted here yet. I'm dumb like that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 19 Apr 2013, 16:48
@Tassaron: Well, welcome anyway! I never ended up making one either back then. :-)

@Masterpiece: That looks terrible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Apr 2013, 17:44
Yeah, I still use 7.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 19 Apr 2013, 17:58
Hell, I still use 95. 

Sometimes.  On my other laptop.  I was forced into 7 on this one...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 19 Apr 2013, 18:04
@Masterpiece: That looks terrible.
Well, tastes differ, it'd be a sad place if they didn't. I'm glad we have a choice, I chose this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Shjade on 19 Apr 2013, 18:16
Reminds me of the whole Erin/Jamie mess in Girls with Slingshots. Dora misses something.

Not really the same thing since Erin is asexual, but I can see why you'd think of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valdís on 19 Apr 2013, 18:20
Well, tastes differ, it'd be a sad place if they didn't. I'm glad we have a choice, I chose this.

Well, that's fine. Didn't even know it was yours, just thought you were mentioning another operating system with it. I wouldn't want to go without regular desktop icons and that stuff.

Also this stationary computer is still on Windows XP, although my laptop is Windows 7. Never been much for jumping into Windows systems and very consciously skipped Vista because some techier friends were saying bad things about its performance at the time. My computers are mediocre enough without that. /shrug
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: WAYF on 19 Apr 2013, 18:23
Cat wants attention!
Now Dora has to make a choice between petting her kitty and... hmm. :evil:

(I'm sorry, I've had a long week :psyduck: )
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Apr 2013, 18:33
Yeah, I still use 7.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 19 Apr 2013, 18:41
Well, tastes differ, it'd be a sad place if they didn't. I'm glad we have a choice, I chose this.

Well, that's fine. Didn't even know it was yours, just thought you were mentioning another operating system with it. I wouldn't want to go without regular desktop icons and that stuff.

Also this stationary computer is still on Windows XP, although my laptop is Windows 7. Never been much for jumping into Windows systems and very consciously skipped Vista because some techier friends were saying bad things about its performance at the time. My computers are mediocre enough without that. /shrug
I skipped Vista too, after having used it on my fathers' machine for a while. It didn't differ too much UX wise from XP, just looked unnecessarily flashier and was so much slower. It never made any sense to switch to it, and I've been using Win7 after that happily.
I've been using a Lumia 800 and 920 after for two years now, and I've been wanting to make the switch to Win8 ever since I first saw leaked images of it. It's Win 7 with a layer of candy on top (imho), boots in four seconds, sleeps in 1, synchs without effort to both phone and new laptop, and runs Visual Studio, Photoshop and Premiere. I'm happy to use it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 19 Apr 2013, 18:49
Windows keeps track of your homies now? :psyduck:
Nope.
But I am. (I called my friends Homies once, as a joke. They started calling themselves Homies since then  :psyduck:)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Apr 2013, 19:08
My old laptop came with Vista in January 2009. It wasn't awful, but that fall Windows 7 came out and I had a student discount of $30 to upgrade, so I did. I'm glad I did. (The current computer I got refurbished in summer 2011 came with Windows 7 and I have no intention on "upgrading".)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 19 Apr 2013, 20:34
Kind of surprised, really, the fight hasn't already started over whether Dora should or should not be using a MacBook as opposed to a PC laptop. Or even a (gasp) tablet. Now there's a fight to watch. Even more fun to watch than "USS Defiant vs. Millennium Falcon: Who'd win?"

Well you only have access to some porn from a tablet, because a great many pornsites run on flash and most tablets don't run flash (at least, out of the box).

judging by the thickness of the laptop its not a Macbook Air or a Macbook Retina, but instead a standard issue Pro. I thought Dora was worried about money? a Pro starts at well over a grand.

i can't hate on anyone for using OSX. Its a pretty decent system. (IMO, more user friendly than w8 or conventional linux distros, but still can't hold a candle to 7) (but this of course is simply my opinion) This is completely the opposite of my feelings for iOS, which i consider to be little better than a Feature Phone OS. Seriously, even the craptastic Windows Phone 7.0 is more capable than iOS.  :mrgreen: but that's an argument for a different topic.

and the defiant is SOOOOOOOO much better than the Falcon  :mrgreen:

Well, tastes differ, it'd be a sad place if they didn't. I'm glad we have a choice, I chose this.

Well, that's fine. Didn't even know it was yours, just thought you were mentioning another operating system with it. I wouldn't want to go without regular desktop icons and that stuff.

Also this stationary computer is still on Windows XP, although my laptop is Windows 7. Never been much for jumping into Windows systems and very consciously skipped Vista because some techier friends were saying bad things about its performance at the time. My computers are mediocre enough without that. /shrug
I skipped Vista too, after having used it on my fathers' machine for a while. It didn't differ too much UX wise from XP, just looked unnecessarily flashier and was so much slower. It never made any sense to switch to it, and I've been using Win7 after that happily.
I've been using a Lumia 800 and 920 after for two years now, and I've been wanting to make the switch to Win8 ever since I first saw leaked images of it. It's Win 7 with a layer of candy on top (imho), boots in four seconds, sleeps in 1, synchs without effort to both phone and new laptop, and runs Visual Studio, Photoshop and Premiere. I'm happy to use it.
My feelings towards MetroUI and W8Apps are not NEARLY as positive as yours. That said I plan to skip over W8 if at all possible and go straight to Windows Blue (or, as its being called now, Windows 8.1)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Apr 2013, 20:56
I have high hopes for Windows 9 because odd number Windows (98/XP/7) have been the better ones. Also...why does 7 need candy on it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 19 Apr 2013, 21:08
Laptop runs 8.  Been getting used to it after shifting up from nearly two decades of XP on my old Desktop.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 19 Apr 2013, 21:43
You know, though... all this discussion about Dora's taste in porn is making me think about how she and Marten split up.  We're not looking at history repeating itself, are we?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 19 Apr 2013, 21:46
I have high hopes for Windows 9 because odd number Windows (98/XP/7) have been the better ones. Also...why does 7 need candy on it?
One review I read somewhere recommended NOT upgrading from 7 to 8 unless you have a tablet, because the reviewer felt the new features of 8 were mainly tablet-oriented.

You left out Win 2000, which was awesome. I used 2K for years and loved it. XP was the next version after 2K, so that's two good versions in a row. Since then, yeah, basically every other version has been good.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Apr 2013, 22:37
You know, though... all this discussion about Dora's taste in porn is making me think about how she and Marten split up.  We're not looking at history repeating itself, are we?

I certainly hope not.

Mieville may not know her password anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 19 Apr 2013, 23:08
You left out Win 2000, which was awesome. I used 2K for years and loved it. XP was the next version after 2K, so that's two good versions in a row. Since then, yeah, basically every other version has been good.

Win2000 was 5.0, WinXp was 5.1 (both good versions, both odd integers)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Apr 2013, 23:11
And Windows Vista, 7, and 8 respectively are technically 6.0, 6.1, and 6.2.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 19 Apr 2013, 23:22
Maybe it's me, but I had no trouble with Vista and very little with 8, except for learning a couple new commands. Granted, the new 8 start screen has no place on a desktop computer that doesn't have a touch screen, but it works well enough when I get past that. Then again,maybe I'm a  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 20 Apr 2013, 00:14
I never had any problem with Vista, other than performance...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 20 Apr 2013, 00:49
My Vista came with 512 MB RAM.

I later discovered it needs 1GB to run.

Don't know what they were thinking.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 20 Apr 2013, 01:38
As did mine - though I thought it ran really well, since the last desktop computer I had was a 98 (possibly SE, can't remember) upgrade from a 95. Luckily, I was given 7GB of free RAM from work when I left. They were chucking out some machines and I asked if I could salvage the parts. I also got an entire tower out of it as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 20 Apr 2013, 02:09
Vista wasn't awful once you beat it into line. I like 7, I'm hoping to skip 8 completely.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 20 Apr 2013, 02:41
*Tech hat*
Between 3 laptops bought at different times with wildly different specification orientations, I've used the last three operating systems, two for at least 3 years each. Here is my opinion:

Vista got a bad rap for issues that were mostly normal teething problems or manufacturers being minimum spec abusing twerps, but with the benefit of hindsight it was objectively a pretty decent operating system and a worthy evolution of Windows. My bargain basement laptop from 2008 ran it fine.

Windows 8 similarly gets a bad rap, but from personally using it for the last 3 months, I can say that most of the dark rumors I heard about it are bunk. All it required was a bit of poking around, and I barely see the start screen or any of its apps anymore. The performance improvements are noticeable, everything I'd been told was gone was still there, and holy heck the progress bar for moving files is actually informative, realistic, and accurate.

Waiting for the next OS after Windows 8 is a fools errand. It's a bridge between the desktop and the future as far as Microsoft is concerned, and the next OS will likely be completely Metro like, with no desktop. I think this is a fundamental error stemming from confusing about the difference between using a computer to consume or to produce and will cripple Windows as a productivity platform, but they didn't ask me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 20 Apr 2013, 03:04
I was with you up until this point:
Waiting for the next OS after Windows 8 is a fools errand. It's a bridge between the desktop and the future as far as Microsoft is concerned, and the next OS will likely be completely Metro like, with no desktop. I think this is a fundamental error stemming from confusing about the difference between using a computer to consume or to produce and will cripple Windows as a productivity platform, but they didn't ask me.

Which is bull, because we've SEEN Windows Blue, its NOT a huge departure from 8. In fact they're so similar they're calling it WIndows 8.1 - basically its windows 8 without all the stupid limitations.

Yes, Microsoft wants the desktop to go away. but right now Windows Phone 8 is a more capable platform than WIndows RT, and RT basically is W8 without the desktop. "PC metro apps" are so far from being able to replace the entirety of the desktop its not even funny.

Plus, there are a LOT of programs people use on a daily basis that simply can't work as a metro (or metro-only) app, due to code and framework restraints. Things like Browsers, media players, and games. much less something that requires heavy lifting like Revit.  :psyduck:

Microsoft won't be killing off the desktop anytime soon.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 20 Apr 2013, 03:10
I have used Windows 8 on a tablet and it seriously flies. But while the first pass of Win 8 was clearly tablet only (I remember the developer preview, and that one was horrible to use with mice), the final product is pretty well operable with a mouse. Granted, the behavior clashes between desktop and metro don't make sense and hurt usability, but if you use gestures like hot corners and swipe from top to bottom, it's very usable.
mtmerrick, why would you want to wait for Windows Blue, which so far looks like nothing more like a feature update to Windows 8, the snow to OSXs leopard? It's not gonna be fundamentally different, the official name is Windows 8.1
My opinion on the start screen is a bit split. But before I get into that topic, I want to ask you: Do you still use the start menu? I know I never did, unless I wanted to access the universal search that was in it. The start screen still goes to search once you type, a vastly improved search, I might add.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 20 Apr 2013, 03:21
I use my start menu religiously. loads of programs and custom shortcuts pinned to the main view of the start menu, and a crazy custom folder setup in the all apps menu.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TimO on 20 Apr 2013, 06:19
The trouble with Windows (and any other OS for that matter), is that to sell a new version, it needs to look radically different, so that people think that they're buying something new.

It would be nice if they spent effort on making it more resilient and bug proof, and better internals to program against, but that isn't what sells to the average bod on the street.

It's the difference between selling a new car based on it's greater efficiency and green credentials (which is starting to work to a degree), or selling it based on its looks, with Carlos Fandango spoilers and go faster stripes, which unfortunately is what makes it look like a fast car to the run of the mill bod.

Even open source software suffers from that, since they need to compete with Windows on the desktop, so have to also come out with a new and prettier version periodically.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 20 Apr 2013, 12:12
I feel so alone.

Looks I'm one of the few hearing running on a MAC OS.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 20 Apr 2013, 12:47
In an argument about Windows versions, don't expect OS X, Linux, FreeBSD, nor other Unixen to be hot topics.

Unless neck-beard AI makes a cameo.  8-)

/me is mostly a Linux user, but the only thing keeping him from sharing his workplace experience with Vista, is the dread of reliving it all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 20 Apr 2013, 13:04
My only workplace experience with Vista was wiping it so I could put XP on the company laptops.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mtmerrick on 20 Apr 2013, 14:02
My only workplace experience with Vista was wiping it so I could put XP on the company laptops.
same here. In my uncle's office, there were several Vista 32 machines that I downgraded to XP. Never had to worry about vista in my home life. Several of my relatives had/still have vista machines, so I've had plenty of exposure to it. I Honestly don't mind it, if it runs smooth enough. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 20 Apr 2013, 18:42
...and holy heck the progress bar for moving files is actually informative, realistic, and accurate.

OMG, isn't that a Sign of the Apocalypse??  :-o

I never thought I would see that in my lifetime.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Apr 2013, 19:02
I'm not so much waiting for the next OS as I am just keeping 7 because I have no reason not to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 20 Apr 2013, 21:02
...and holy heck the progress bar for moving files is actually informative, realistic, and accurate.

OMG, isn't that a Sign of the Apocalypse??  :-o

I never thought I would see that in my lifetime.

You should watch this Not a valid youtube URL. A lot of the ideas Win8 had for the desktop are good ideas.

Also, if you have the time, watch this: http://uxweek.com/2012/speakers/jensen-harris/

Jensen Harris, the guy who developed the Metro look and feel for Windows 8, gives a presentation on user experience in Win 8. I love the guy
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 20 Apr 2013, 21:16
Very cool, thanks for the video!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 20 Apr 2013, 22:00
In an argument about Windows versions, don't expect OS X, Linux, FreeBSD, nor other Unixen to be hot topics.

Unless neck-beard AI makes a cameo.  8-)

/me is mostly a Linux user, but the only thing keeping him from sharing his workplace experience with Vista, is the dread of reliving it all.
I've got four Linux machines, one OS X machine, and one FreeBSD machine running simultaneously, plus a couple Solaris machines, another couple Linux machines, and another OS X machine in my storage unit.

The Linux machines:
bhtooefr-server, Dell Dimension 2100 running Ubuntu Server 10.04
Eowyn, Asus RT-N16 running DD-WRT
unnamed WRT54G running DD-WRT in client bridge mode
Droid 2 Global running Android 2.3.4
(in storage) HP TouchPad running Android 4.0.something
(in storage) another WRT54G running DD-WRT

The OS X machines:
bhtooefr-mbpr, MacBook Pro 10,1 running OS X 10.8.3
(in storage) Forgot the name, probably bhtooefr-ibook, PowerBook 6,5 (iBook G4), running OS X 10.5.8, although barely

The FreeBSD machine:
uncannyvalley, Dell CS24-SC (a weird Core 2-era 1U dual socket whitebox server that Dell badged as their own, presumably for some major customer) running FreeBSD 9.1 (just installed this morning, will be replacing bhtooefr-server)

The Solaris machines:
(in storage) leydenjar, RDI PowerLite 50 running Solaris 2.5.1
(in storage) brescia, SunBlade 2500 running... OpenSolaris b134? Been a long time since I booted that machine.

In any case, I use Windows pretty much exclusively at work, but thankfully I don't have to touch Win8 yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 20 Apr 2013, 22:39
And Windows Vista, 7, and 8 respectively are technically 6.0, 6.1, and 6.2.  :psyduck:

That's...incredibly stupid of them. Why call it "Windows 7" if it's really "Windows 6.1"? Thanks, MarketingSoft.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Apr 2013, 22:50
Because it was the 7th Windows (I don't think 2000 counts, but I'm not entirely sure why).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bluesummers on 20 Apr 2013, 22:58
Was it the seventh Windows? I'm not quite sure...If we go by Wikipedia's records, it should really be "Windows 17"...

This, of course, counts Versions 1.0, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.1NT, 3.5NT, 3.51NT, 4.0NT, 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, and 8. Most people aren't going to count all of those, but still....it's confusing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Apr 2013, 23:03
3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8 (which is why I praised the odds and don't care for the evens (from 98 on, at least).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 20 Apr 2013, 23:21
Gets me thinking ...

There were for a while two different series of Windows.  The four(?) NT versions and the 2000 started a new fully 32-bit series, "building" on OS/2 and VMS , parallelling the old hybrid 16-bit/32-bit series, based on MS-DOS.

The old series was dropped (except marketingwise, I guess) after ME (Millennium Edition nicely parallels 2000).  The later XP, Vista, 7, and 8 are of the new series.

I guess that makes the seven versions 3.1NT, 3.5NT/3.51NT, 4.0NT, 2000, XP, Vista, 7.  (Counting 3.5NT/3.51NT as one, marketingwise?)

After which it would be simple, marketingwise, to retrofit the "7th" to the old series as well, probably counting XP, Vista, and 7 as belonging to that one as well, since the "Home" versions of these were marketed as such a continuation ...

ETA: Oh, and here's a nice table of NT versions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Releases
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: YourMaster on 21 Apr 2013, 00:40
The question isn't "why is it 7 when it's really 6.1", it's "why does GetVersionEx() say it's Windows version 6.1 when it's called Windows 7".  The 6.1 number is checked by software, both good and bad software, to decide what the host operating system is capable of.  And when they moved from 5.1 to 6, they got a bunch of unnecessary compatibility breaks that they didn't get when the previously moved from 5.0 to 5.1, so they decided not to move the major version up by 1.  Windows 8 returns 6.2.  I psychically predict the next version will be 6.3.

Why is the minor version number less of a problem than the major one?  That just happened to be something poorly-written applications tended to ignore anyway.  I guarantee there's at least one poorly written application that will balk at even the minor version number change.  There might even be ones that are find with the major version number but not the minor one.  If they hit critical mass at Windows 13 (say), then they might just jump the major number straight from 6 to 13.

None of those numbers indicate anything "real".  One is just a name made up to explain the product to people.  Another is a made-up number (technically, a vector, not a decimal number) which is a name to explain the product to software.  Their purpose isn't really counting, it's distinguishing.

This isn't substantially different from how Mac OSX has been the tenth Mac OS for 12 years now, yet we're up to the 9th Operating System called OSX, which naturally has version number 10.8 (because the first was 10.0 and the second was 10.1 etc.).  Or the iPhone mess, where the 2nd one was called 3G, the third was called 3Gs, then they got it right again with 4, then they ruined it by naming the 5th one 4s, and the sixth one is obviously called 5.

Anyway, as far as version numbers go, the Windows 9x series (including Me) was all Windows 4.something (eg. Me was 4.90, which is not 4.9 but is 81 minor versions higher than that); Windows 2000 and XP were Windows 5.0 and 5.1; Vista was Windows 6.0.  Before Windows 95, Windows was marketed by version number directly (eg. Windows 3.1).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 21 Apr 2013, 00:50
Before Windows 95, Windows was marketed by version number directly (eg. Windows 3.1).

You forgot the Windows vs Windows for Workgroups split.  And Windows 3.11 hasn't been mentioned either.

And there was the GUI that didn't make it... (Bob)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 21 Apr 2013, 01:21
Comic Sans made it though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 21 Apr 2013, 01:28
Perhaps Microsoft has realized that the only way to get the stock price rising again is to sacrifice a version.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 21 Apr 2013, 04:51
Perhaps Microsoft has realized that the only way to get the stock price rising again is to sacrifice a version.

You get to skate on this one because the pun jar's busy over in the ant thread.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 21 Apr 2013, 06:08
She does, however, seem to be sensitive (and not for the first time) to the (projected) opinion of one particular individual of of the species felis silvestris catus, and therein to me lies the joke of QC Two Thousand Four Hundred and Twenty Nine.

EDIT: OK, here's my contribution to the overthink: We know Dora projects her opinions onto Mieville ("No, not murder. You always suggest that") so she lets the cat stand for her slight guilt feelings (because she reads the forums) about watching a guy-on-guy porn site. Not much of an overthink, I admit, but the best I have for now.
I didn't make a connection between my own viewing habits, my cats and  this comic until last night -- I mean, a cat is just a cat, right? But my long-ago neutered male Siamese has started humping my arm after I get into bed with my laptop. The little bastard gets angry with me when I throw him off.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Masterpiece on 21 Apr 2013, 06:19
Thank you YourMaster, you explained the compatibility issues much better than I could have.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 21 Apr 2013, 06:54
For what it's worth, the entire list of released (not alpha, not beta, not Release Candidate, not (in one case) a beta add-on to a release version, although a couple of these are a bit iffy as far as not being beta - namely, Premiere Edition 1.00, and ) Windows versions by major and minor version, as far as I know. I'll note that, with NT 3.10, and with Windows 4.00, Microsoft began transitioning to doing fairly major functionality changes and bug fixes in service packs or OEM Service Releases, whereas before they did them in minor version changes. I'll list those in parentheses.

1.0x
Windows Premiere Edition 1.00
Windows 1.01 (added Write)
Windows 1.02
Windows 1.03
Windows 1.04

2.0x
Windows/386 2.01
Windows 2.02 (might have just been the 8088 build?)
Windows 2.03 (also available as Windows/286 and /386)

2.1x
Windows 2.10 (only available as /286 or /386)
Windows 2.11 (only available as /286 or /386)

3.0x
Windows 3.00
Windows 3.00a

3.1x
Windows 3.10 (also available as Windows for Workgroups, which added SMB/NetBIOS/NetBEUI support)
Windows 3.11 (also available as WfWG, which added an updated kernel with 32-bit driver support and the aforementioned SMB/NetBIOS/NetBEUI support)

NT 3.10
Windows NT 3.10 (RTM build 511, RTM build 528 (apparently added DEC Alpha support), SP1, SP2, SP3 - I might have this slightly wrong)

NT 3.5x
Windows NT 3.50 (RTM, SP1, SP2, SP3)
Windows NT 3.51 (added PowerPC support and some bugfixes, RTM, SP1, SP2, SP3, SP4, SP5)

4.00
Windows 95 (RTM, SP1/OSR1, OSR2, USB Supplement to OSR2, OSR2.1 (slightly updated kernel from the USB Supplement), OSR2.5)

NT 4.00
Windows NT 4.0 (RTM, SP1, SP2, SP3, SP4, SP5, SP6, SP6a)

4.10
Windows 98 (98, 98 Second Edition)

4.90
Windows Me

NT 5.00
Windows 2000 (5.00 - RTM, SP1, SP2, SP3, SP4)

NT 5.01 - I'll note that during this time, Microsoft started changing how they displayed their version numbering. Most versions of NT 5.01 display their version as 5.1.
Windows Advanced Server Limited Edition (ASLE 1.0 (and this one identified as both Windows Whistler (XP's codename) and as Windows 2000 :psyduck:), ASLE 1.1 (not sure if this displays as 5.01 or 5.1, or what it IDs as))
Windows XP (displayed as 5.1 - RTM, SP1, SP2, SP3 - also in a "64-Bit Edition" (RTM, SP1) for Itanium)
Windows Datacenter Server Limited Edition (don't know how it displayed)

NT 5.02 (displayed as 5.2)
Windows Advanced Server Limited Edition 1.2
Windows Server 2003 (RTM, SP1, SP2)
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, Version 2003 (RTM, SP1)
Windows Server 2003 R2 (RTM (2003 SP1 with added features), SP2)
Windows XP x64 Edition (RTM (based on 2003 SP1), SP2)

NT 6.00 (displayed as 6.0)
Windows Vista (RTM, SP1, SP2)
Windows Server 2008 (RTM, SP1, SP2)

NT 6.01 (displayed as 6.1)
Windows 7 (RTM, SP1)
Windows Server 2008 R2 (RTM, SP1)

NT 6.02 (displayed as 6.2)
Windows 8 (RTM)
Windows Server 2012 (RTM)

I'd say it's fair to lump any .0x change in minor version before NT 5 together (I've seen more functionality added by a service pack, than by any .0x change before NT 5.01), so that means there's 1.0x, 2.0x, 2.1x, 3.0x, 3.1x, NT 3.1x, NT 3.5x, 4.00, NT 4.00, 4.10, 4.90, NT 5.00, NT 5.01, NT 5.02, NT 6.00, NT 6.01 (being the 16th version by that measurement), and NT 6.02.

Now, given that Windows 7 is consumer oriented, let's remove every NT prior except for 5.01 and 6.00, and forget about 6.02 (because it's just incrementing by one)... now it's 1.0x, 2.0x, 2.1x, 3.0x, 3.1x, 4.00, 4.10, 4.90, 5.01, 6.00, 6.01, or eleven versions.

Combine 2.0x and 2.1x, the changes were really quite minor as I understand (much less than some service packs *cough*XP SP2, 2003 SP1*cough*), we're to ten. Combine 3.0x and 3.1x, even though the changes were much more major there (and 3.11 had an edition with very major changes), we're to nine. Combine 4.00, 4.10, and 4.90 (I can actually make the case for combining 4.00 and 4.10, there's more difference between 98 and 98SE, than there is between 95 OSR2.5 and 98, but 4.90 is actually quite different under the hood), we're finally to seven.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 21 Apr 2013, 07:11
Meanwhile, I miss Mac OS 6.0.8.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 21 Apr 2013, 14:42
I actually saw a working installation of Windows 2.10 once, long ago, back when it was still state-of-the-art. I wasn't impressed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 21 Apr 2013, 16:05
Meanwhile, I miss Mac OS 6.0.8.

The last Mac I used regularly ran the highest version of System 7 -- 7.5, or something like that? -- and I miss it a lot. I loved how friendly, elegant, and easily customizable it was. Basing the Mac OS on Unix just seems... klugey to me. I used Unix extensively in college (it was my first real OS, actually) and it has an elegance of its own, but it was never designed as a GUI OS, and I just can't see how putting a GUI layer on top of it could ever be as clean as having an OS that was designed for GUI from the ground up. It seems to be doing well, though, so I guess it works.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 21 Apr 2013, 16:43
Honestly, OS X is my favorite *nix as a user, although the key is partially that most of what you see as a user isn't the traditional *nix world - it's EXTREMELY different (which is what NeXT was going for back in the 1980s, I know). Yes, you can fire up Terminal.app, and get a somewhat BSD-like userland, but even then, a lot of what you work with is still NeXT/Apple, not BSD.

I find most *nixes to actually be fairly ugly and hackish, but they are damn effective, I will say.

(Then again, one of my favorite OSes to play with is RISC OS, which is an AMAZINGLY hackish OS, that as soon as you go under the hood, sane developers start projectile vomiting at how ugly things are. My ideal OS would probably incorporate elements of RISC OS, BeOS, and have central package management that works seamlessly with multiple repositories. Request a package from the attached repos, get a package. Grab something from somewhere else and put it on the system, and it automatically registers itself with the package manager for updates and dependencies to be fulfilled from either the system repos or a repo referred to in the package.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: westrim on 21 Apr 2013, 20:27
I'm not so much waiting for the next OS as I am just keeping 7 because I have no reason not to.
No argument there. I've never seen the point in buying a new OS if it's not coming with a new computer. If in some alternate universe I had the money for a desktop and a laptop so I could focus the desktop on performance and the laptop on weight, the desktop would probably still be running Windows XP with new parts. But I don't, so laptops only for me.

The only Mac I used was in elementary school, so I couldn't tell you the OS version. I played the heck out of SimCity 2000 on it, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 21 Apr 2013, 20:35
Oh yeah, SimCity on my Mac LC was fantastic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somebody on 21 Apr 2013, 21:57
Also, I didn't notice the clock until it was pointed out.  Ten hours?  Is the idea supposed to be that she'd expose herself to Mieville by standing up, and so doesn't want to?  Whatever it is, that is one patient cat.  And Dora's legs are going to hurt like fuck tomorrow.
Panels 3 & 4 show her trousers are very entirely on. If they weren't, she'd be exposed to us, never mind the cat!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 22 Apr 2013, 00:19
Perhaps Microsoft has realized that the only way to get the stock price rising again is to sacrifice a version.
Much better that the ant puns.

Honestly, OS X is my favorite *nix as a user, although the key is partially that most of what you see as a user isn't the traditional *nix world - it's EXTREMELY different (which is what NeXT was going for back in the 1980s, I know).
Me too. I especially like the way I can run X Windows applications on the same desktop as Mac ones (albeit with different control conventions), and use the power of the command line, regular expressions etc. for system management and utility tasks.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 22 Apr 2013, 05:20
Honestly, OS X is my favorite *nix as a user, although the key is partially that most of what you see as a user isn't the traditional *nix world - it's EXTREMELY different (which is what NeXT was going for back in the 1980s, I know). Yes, you can fire up Terminal.app, and get a somewhat BSD-like userland, but even then, a lot of what you work with is still NeXT/Apple, not BSD.

I really liked the NeXT machines in the lab when I was in grad school.  Of course, at the time I was working at home with a VT100 salvaged from the trash and a 1200 baud modem to hook up to the Unix servers... [/oldschool] 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 22 Apr 2013, 10:59
Perhaps Microsoft has realized that the only way to get the stock price rising again is to sacrifice a version.
Much better that the ant puns.

Are you averse to the ant puns?

Perhaps it would improve your peace of mind to sacrifice aversion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2425-2429 (15-19 April, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 22 Apr 2013, 11:22
I really liked the NeXT machines in the lab when I was in grad school.  Of course, at the time I was working at home with a VT100 salvaged from the trash and a 1200 baud modem to hook up to the Unix servers... [/oldschool]

Yeah, those were the days. Good times... 8-)