THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: CmonMiracle on 07 Jul 2007, 19:43
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Well, this book is coming out soon and of course this is suppose to be the last Harry Potter book. What are your predictions or hopes for it?
Here's what I've gathered from the last book.
I believe Snape is *not* a traitor. We know from the past books a few things:
Snape loved Lilly (Harry's mom) but it was unrequited.
Snape became an original Deatheater.
Sometime near the end of the first Deatheater war, Snape came to Dumbledore and "turned good", but only Dumbledore knows the reason. Yet the reason is good enough for Dumbledore and he never doubted Snape's turn to the good side.
So what happened?
Voldemort killed Lilly, that's what happened. And the moment he did that, Snape forever and irrevocably turned against Voldemort and swore vengance for what he did. That love of Lilly and that Voldemort killed her meant Snape would forever hate Voldemort is why Dumbledore trusted him ever after.
So what about Dumbledore's death?
He and Harry arrived back at Hogwarts with Dumbledore pretty obviously dying of the potion he'd had to drink. Dumbledore knew he was a dead man, likely knowing the poison to be irreversable. His last wishes were to protect Harry and the other students.
Dumbledore knew that if one man would instantly know Dumbledore was doomed and could act, it would be Snape and only Snape (with his deep knowledge of potions and dark magics).
So a dying Dumbledore finds himself the target of a wavering young Malfoy. Malfoy wasn't evil - wasn't lost completely - quite yet. But Malfoy had to kill Dumbledore or be killed. Turn completely evil or die.
Snape bursts in and is described as summing up the entire scene quickly in his mind. Dumbledore looked at him pleadingly - not pleading for Dumbledore's life, but pleading for Snape to do the one horrible thing that needed to be done. Finish off a doomed Dumbledore and thus "save" young Malfoy - plus Snape re-infultrates the Deatheaters unquestioned. Snape instantly recognized Dumbledore was doomed, and both Snape and Sumbledore knew the only path they had to save the kids was for Snape to finish off Dumbledore. Save Malfoy, infiltrate the Deatheaters again. The pleading of Dumbledore to Snape was because Snape was hesitating, and Dumbledore was pleading with him to do what he had to do - save Malfoy and more.
This is why Snape then wouldn't attack Harry while escaping. Why the only thing he reacted to that Harry said was when Harry called him a coward. Snape is no coward, he'd just done the hardest, and bravest thing of his life: finish off his doomed friend Dumbledore to save the students and have a chance at Voldemort.
I hope Harry finally finds this all out at the end, though I'd expect likely with Snape dying as part of it.
I expect young Malfoy would then be saved from becoming truly evil, possibly taking on his own evil father.
I have a grand finale story idea that I do not expect to happen, but in my mind would be the best ending possible. I'll put it up later.
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That's actually the only 'Snape is Good' theory I've heard that makes sense. And it seems like exactly the kind of thing JKR would do...make you think someone's bad, but then explain their reasons. We'll find out in about two weeks, regardless.
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I'm not holding my breath for snape.
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OK, so if the Snape thing I wrote above has, maybe, a 30-40% chance of happening in the book, this next bit - my ideal ending - has a .001% chance.
And that bugs me, since I like my ending so much that anything else seems blah.
So here is my ideal Harry Potter ending:
Who discovers spells? Magic exists, but great, wise wizards and witches over the ages discover spells and potions to harness and call the magic. A comprehensive list of spells would grow over time as new spells are found through lifetimes devoted to maybe discovering one new spell of some usefulness or power.
Dumbledore has discovered/invented a spell. Voldemort has too (possibly the Cruxis or another unforgivable).
Harry's gift, his power, his purpose is that he will discover/invent a spell. A devastating spell... not an unforgivable but almost never to be used.
The prophesy spoke of Harry and Voldemort, that one will kill the other.
"Kill" can be interpreted many, many ways.
Harry, after Snape's death and Harry's learning how Snape was not evil, will be forced into that ultimate showdown with Lord Voldemort. I imagine this taking place in a human (muggle) city like downtown London. Wand to wand, wizard to wizard: Harry fueled by the fact that this man is ultimately responsible for the loss of his mother, father, Sirius, and Dumbledore. Voldemort driven by the knowledge of the prophecy, and that Harry is the last thing standing in his way of total victory over the magical (and possibly all of the real) world.
Harry's choice appears obvious: kill with an unforgivable curse or be killed by one.
A moment will happen when Harry will realize his true power and gift and a new spell will form in his mind. A spell never before known, or even thought of. A devastating, yet not unforgivable spell.
Harry will cast this spell against Lord Voldemort, striking him full on in a blaze of light and power.
Voldemort will reel back, then stop, waiting for the effect. He will feel none and begin to laugh.
He will mock a now nearly spent Harry, calling him an imbecilic fool spouting nonsense spells of pretty flashes and no power.
Voldemort will point his wand at Harry and say "Avada Kedavra!" - the killing curse.
... and nothing will happen.
Harry discvovered/invented a spell that "de-magics" or "mugglizes". That is what he had cast against Lord Voldemort. It stripped Voldemort of all magic ability. He has become a squib... a muggle... in one brilliant flash of powerful magic.
Lord Voldemort, the persona and name Tom Riddle took on when he became an evil, powerful wizard, is now dead. All that remains is Tom Riddle. A squib. A muggle. Powerless and hapless in the face of even a first year student at Hogwarts.
His magic can never be regained. He is cut off completely from the magic world, as you or I am.
As Voldemort - Riddle now - realizes this, he is overcome with rage and terror. He wildly and frantically screams spells and curses, snapping his wand at Harry, willing with all his might to wield one tiny shred of magic... but there is none. Nothing.
Harry says what he needs to say to Riddle, then teleports (with Ron and Hermione?) away from Riddle, back to Hogwarts.
Riddle is left on his knees in the middle of downtown London. Dead bodies surround him - those he killed during that final showdown with Harry since he had no care for innocent lives. Sirens will sound as police approach him, guns drawn.
And Tom Malovo Riddle will spend the rest of his life a muggle, forever cut off from all things magical, devoid of power, devoid of followers. A prisoner of the muggle world, no more able to find a wizard or Hogwarts than any clueless muggle. He will remember it all, and it will torture him what he has forever lost. He has become what he hated most, and will spend all his days at thier mercy.
Harry will kill Lord Voldemort, but he will not kill Tom Riddle.
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THAT is how I want the Harry Potter story to end.
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I think you should be the official Harry Potter fanfic author. All the other ones suck compared to yours.
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Snape loved Lilly (Harry's mom) but it was unrequited.
when was this?
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You know, after that I might just not read the seventh book and be content with your awesome proposed ending.
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I stopped reading the series after number four, but if they're as good as what you've written, I'm going to, at the very least, read the last book when it comes out.
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I thought I was totally done with Harry Potter. I was sick of the whole thing, I wasn't gonna read the seventh book, I felt as if I had "grown away" from the series. But you, with one awesome ending, completely changed my mind.
See you in line for the release.
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You know, after that I might just not read the seventh book and be content with your awesome proposed ending.
Seriously considering the same thing.
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We Already Have a Thread For This (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,14417.0.html)
Please use the search function in the future.
As for the subject at hand, allow me to just say this: I don't care if Harry lives or dies just so long as Severus lives and isn't a traitor (although, I'll love him just as much if he is...), and! I am actually looking forward to the book opening because I will have my spiffy new tattoo of the Dark Mark on my arm to get me through the night --which SHOULD be healed by then! Woo, am I excited!!
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Ally Bee will be taking a break from the internet starting on July 20th and ending maybe a few days later.
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-Days-?? Are you that slow of a reader?? Or are you going to read it more slowly to seep in all of that Potter-goodness?
I plan (well, I have to be) done on the 21st, 'cause I gotta work on the 22nd. Damn it. --But, me Mam and I are going to go and see the 5th movie before picking up the book, which will be fun. Yay!
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Ok, so if the 7th book doesn't end like that, I think you should write some fanfic, so we can pretend that is was the awesome ending. Those are actually the best two possibilities for the last book I've heard. (Though for some reason, I really feel like Harry should/needs to/will die, only because Rowling won't write anymore HP books after this.)
I am probably going to get off work the day (Saturday) the book comes out, or at least request the morning off, because I will be picking up my pre-order and will probably not want to put it down to stand around being bored at work. So I'll hopefully have it done by that Monday.
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He won't die. That would scar a generation of kids.
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Okay, so I was thinking about this, after reading that J.K. Rowling had changed the last word of the book --it was known for a long time that the word would be "Scar", but it has apparently now changed. it is very CLOSE to the end, but isn't the last actual word... She has also said that we will learn what everyone does -afterwards-, so...it is very plausable that Harry won't die --why else mention a scar (being that -his- scar is so prominate to the book...), and talk it up as being such an important word to end with? I think it's going to end somehow with his scar having disappeared --his tie to Voldemort being severed. OR, it could be something along the lines of "blah, blah, blah they did this --all brought to gether by a a boy with a scar" or some crap like that...
I don't think a lot of people will be...you know, disappointed or whatever if Harry died, but it wouldn't make sense for him to die. It would mean something very different for time -now-, unless she's making a politcal statement against the war? I dunno...whatever.
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Well I thought he was going to die because I thought that the "neither could live while the other survived" meant that they'd end up killing each other. I mean, I think it'd be better if he didn't, but I wouldn't be bothered by it if he did.
And whatever is in the epilogue, I hope Hermione lets off of SPEW.
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I kind of want Harry to die. I don't think Rowling will be able to get away from him otherwise and it would be fitting for him to destroy Voldemort and then die of his wounds as soon as he knows he's won.
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See though...you'd think that she'd kind of want to leave it open, in case she wanted to write more later. She's said in a few interviews that after 7 is done she is -done-, but that she would consider playing with the idea of more... Either way, I think we can still continue to expect great things from Rowling, even if it doesn't have Harry Potter in it. Once you start writing, it's hard to stop "forever", so I don't think that this will be her last thing -ever-, although with all of the money she's made with this series, she could never pick up a pen again and her and all of her children could live quite well for the rest of their lives.
I am looking forward to more Potter-themed charity books though. I liked Fantastic Beasts and Quidditch, and I guess they've been thinking about Hogwarts: A History, which would be -so- cool, especially since it's mentioned in every single book, and only Hermione seems to have actually read it more then once, haha.
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Shortly after I read the sixth book, I was tempted to write a fanfic that I would post on the Internet. Not just ANY fanfic, but a full-length novel that could easily be mistaken for the seventh book. My idea was NOT to pass it off as the genuine article, since every page would have a header saying this was an unauthorized fanfic. However, I would have written in J.K. Rowling's style, or as close to it as possible. I also would have used as many clues from the previous six books, so that MY seventh novel would seem astonishingly plausible to any Potter fan.
I chose not to do it, instead concentrating on my OWN series of novels. None of these are published yet, but I may yet find a publisher for my five "Ferriman" novels (with a sixth on the way.) More on that some other time; my chance for fame won't be for a few years yet.
But my idea for the seventh book really did tempt me. I figured it would take me a year and a half to write — just in time for the real-seventh-book frenzy to kick in, make me an Internet celebrity overnight, and then get everyone clamoring to read ORIGINAL, non-Harry Potter material also by me.
My work — had I chosen to write it — would have been called "Harry Potter and the Horcrux Battle." Here are a few key points of what I WOULD HAVE written, and in a two weeks' time we'll all have a chance to compare it against Rowling's work.
THE DEFENSE OF THE DARK ARTS TEACHER FOR THE SEVENTH YEAR IS HARRY POTTER HIMSELF. Surprised? I would have written that in MY Harry Potter novel, and I suspect that this is what will be in the REAL Harry Potter novel. I say this because in the sixth novel, it's mentioned that the school might close down, now that parents are afraid to send their children to school with Dumbledore's gone. Who better to replace him — who better to reasssure the parents — than the wizard already being called The Chosen One?
So the teachers will make an extra effort to recruit him, despite his vow he'll never going back to Hogwarts again. (Also mentioned in the sixth book.) The school has every reason to recruit him, and as for Harry, McGonagall points out that the school has resources he can use in his upcoming battle — for example, as a teacher, he now has completely free access to the restricted section of the library. (Which will be important in tracking down the remaining Horcruxes.)
For those of you who find this hard to believe, I must point out a few things. Yes, the Dark Arts position is cursed, but the end of Voldemort will also end the curse. So Harry Potter's fate remains the same whether or not he signs on as Defense of the Dark Arts teacher — one will end the other. Also, his new teaching job would not interfere with his mission in tracking down the Horcruxes, because Harry is now old enough to Apparate. Which means that he could be a teacher four days out of the week, and take Hermione and Ron on weekends and holidays to find the Horcruxes. And don't forget — Harry has teaching experience!
The bulk of MY Harry Potter novel, had I written it, would have concentrated on two major themes. The first, of course, is the search for the Horcruxes. The second is Harry Potter's growing sense of isolation. Because of the position he's now in, he is no longer a Hogwarts student, and is isolated from all of his former classmates, except Ron and Hermione. Instead of playing Quidditch, he can only root the Gryffindors on from the sidelines — assuming he has time for the matches at all. Filch and Peeves don't treat him with the respect other teachers get, because they refuse to believe he's a "real" teacher. The Slytherin students are openly contemptuous of him, and sabotage his attempts to teach the class.
At the same time, although he's now a teacher, he doesn't really fit in with them, either, since most of them are considerably older than him. Every time he sits among his fellow teachers, he wishes he could be with the people his age.
That's the bulk of what would have been MY Harry Potter book. Other elements that I would have worked in aren't as surprising — Snape is innocent. (You've all heard that one before) Dumbledore is not dead. (You've all heard that one before, too. The best one I've seen is the "Dumbledore is not dead!" section of beyondhogwarts.com.) Plus, the real locket Horcrux is already in Sirius Black's house, having been stolen by Regulus Black — the fifth book specifically mentions a locket nobody could open. (Many of you have heard that one before, too. It's not an original.)
As for how Potter kills Voldemort, my version would have been something like this. Harry lets Voldemort discover that all the Horcruxes have been destroyed, and that Dumbledore is still alive. That destroys all his confidence, because he realizes that he now can be killed. Just as he's at the height of his panic, Dumbledore appears — more powerful and more terrible than he's ever been before. They fight, and as the battle continues, the mighty Voldemort becomes more and more terrified, and keeps getting weaker and weaker. It's only by sheer luck that Voldemort succeeds in killing Dumbledore.
That's when Harry takes off his Invisibility Cloak and announces that the joke's on Voldemort — that wasn't Dumbledore at all, but a boggart. Harry carried a boggart in a suitcase, just as Lupin had done, knowing full well that when it was unleashed on Voldemort, it would turn into the only person Lord Voldemort ever feared.
And now that Voldemort has so weakened himself in the battle with the boggart-Dumbledore, he can easily be killed. Harry Potter uses the Avada Kedavra on the prostrate Voldemort, and the Dark Lord is finished once and for all.
At least, that's what I would have written, had I actually written it. I do like the idea CmonMiracle came up with, about Harry Potter finding a way to kill Voldemort without killing Tom Riddle, but considering how little human is left in Voldemort (splitting his soul in seven parts, having no body for 10 years, drinking unicorn blood, and so forth) that might not be possible.
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Yeeeeeeah... I don't think that Voldemort would be tricked by a boggart. He's a bit smarter then that...
I actually started writing "my version" of book six and seven after book 5 came out, went on a hiatus, and picked it up again last fall to tie it (slightly) back into book six, but being as how it is slash, it is pretty much impossible that it will tie into book seven. ...I will finish it one day. I went back onto hiatus after Christmas vacation, because of stupid writers block.
I love fan fiction. It's delicious.
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I don't know, I like it. The part about having weekends off to search for the Horcruxes is a bit strange, I don't think Voldemort would just chill during the week, and certainly Harry wouldn't place teaching anywhere near his top priorities.
As for the last word of the book, I consider that a useless tease that really wouldn't indicate in any way how the book is going to end, and all these people are getting excited over nothing.
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No offense to LeeZion, but that's one's pretty weak in comparisson. The random resurrection has been done to death, is a major copout and I, for one, am glad Rowling's claiming Dumbledore's staying dead. I'd also have to agree that the Boggart angle is pretty flimsy. Aside from it being a copout in and of itself in terms of a big, epic, final battle, it's also completely unbelievable. Voldemort, even paniced and without his Horcruxes, is still one of the most powerful wizards in the story's canon. A boggart just maintains the shape of what you fear, not the legitimate power (As I doubt Snape would ever have allowed Neville to dress him up like an old woman). It wouldn't take Voldemort particularly long to determine that "Voldemort" was not what he appeared to be.
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Dumbledore dies.
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SNAPE KILLS OPTIMUS
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(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/spoiler_alert.png)
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Snape gon' give it to ya. (http://snapegonnagiveittoya.ytmnd.com/)
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Johnny, you used to be cool
Until you ruined my thread!
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Ruined...or made excellent?!
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No offense to LeeZion, but that's one's pretty weak in comparisson. The random resurrection has been done to death, is a major copout and I, for one, am glad Rowling's claiming Dumbledore's staying dead. I'd also have to agree that the Boggart angle is pretty flimsy. Aside from it being a copout in and of itself in terms of a big, epic, final battle, it's also completely unbelievable. Voldemort, even paniced and without his Horcruxes, is still one of the most powerful wizards in the story's canon. A boggart just maintains the shape of what you fear, not the legitimate power (As I doubt Snape would ever have allowed Neville to dress him up like an old woman). It wouldn't take Voldemort particularly long to determine that "Voldemort" was not what he appeared to be.
You forget, Harry faced a boggart in the shape of a Dementor and it still affected him. It should have some of the powers of whatever it is imitating, I think.
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I don't forget, he passed out. It's just as likely that he passed out from fear as that's one of the chief threats of a Dementor to begin with. A boggart can mimic the gruesome terror of a Dementor, but it likely can't mimic the high level of magical ability that Voldemort knows Dumbledore has.
Beyond that, I get the feeling that a boggart would more than likely turn into the spectre of death for Voldemort than anything. They seemed to go a long way towards establishing in book six that Voldemort has an intense fear of death. He most likely fears Dumbledore not for his power, but because he could send him to his death.
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Ruined...or made excellent?!
No.
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I don't forget, he passed out. It's just as likely that he passed out from fear as that's one of the chief threats of a Dementor to begin with. A boggart can mimic the gruesome terror of a Dementor, but it likely can't mimic the high level of magical ability that Voldemort knows Dumbledore has.
Beyond that, I get the feeling that a boggart would more than likely turn into the spectre of death for Voldemort than anything. They seemed to go a long way towards establishing in book six that Voldemort has an intense fear of death. He most likely fears Dumbledore not for his power, but because he could send him to his death.
I can't say for sure what Voldemort fears the most, however, I'm pretty sure he didn't pass out from fear since as he faced the Dementor-Boggart, he could hear his parent's voices and also needed chocolate afterwards, symptoms of a Dementor.
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Dumbledore is dead. He was killed by an Avada Kedavra and is dead. I liked Dumbledore too, but seriously, Rowling gave him a good death, so let him stay dead. And no offense, but it says in the 6th book that Harry won't be returning to school and they're probably going to end up closing it anyways, so I really doubt him becoming a teacher, minus the whole age thing. I don't think much, if any, of the last book will largely take place in Hogwarts. Harry has a lot of searching to do for the other Horcruxes and he has to find out how to destroy them, as well as probably trying to sabotage whatever Voldemort will be up to. I expect him to travel around far too much to even consider the possibility of him becoming a teacher at that point.
I also doubt the bogart. Bogarts turn into what you fear, yes, but I doubt their ability to do magic. I think the thing with Harry was a unique case, as it didn't seem to affect Lupin like it did Harry and Lupin was there with him close by.
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Dumbledore is dead. He was killed by an Avada Kedavra and is dead.
But how do you know Dumbledore was hit by an Avada Kedavra curse? Yes, Snape said the words, but as we learned in the fourth book, if the words are spoken without any real power behing them, the intended victim wouldn't get so much as a nosebleed. We also know that it's possible to say a curse silently. So perhaps Snape said the words while using an entirely different curse, to make it look good for everyone else.
Also, Harry would NOT have to spend a lot of time traveling. He can Apparate.
But it's a moot point. For one thing, I never wrote my version — the amount of time I would have had to devote to it, plus my having to wrap up all those side plots (elves, giants, the werewolf who attacked Lupin, etc.) made it too difficult a task. And besides,we'll all find out for real in 10 days.
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I reckon Dumbledore is dead. However I don't think Snape used the Adava Kedavra to do it. He said the words and the green magic flew out of his wand but Dumbledore went flying over the parapet whereas everyone else in the series who has ever been hit with that curse doesn't fly anywhere, they just drop. I think Snape used a different curse so that he wouldn't go down for using an Unforgivable Curse. Dumbledore was pretty weak at that stage and an Expelliarmus would have probably finished him off as well. Doesn't change much of the storyline though but I've wanting to put forward that theory for a little over a year.
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I concur with Linds. People who are dead tend to stay dead --with the exception of Wormtail (as I believe has been mentioned), when it comes to Rowling.
However, I don't want to think that they'll be closing the school. Harry being a teacher is a ludicris idea, but I think that they are going to strive to keep the school open, and if not open as a -school-, I think it is still going to play a major location. You can't just...not have the central location of six previous books, you know? So, while they may not be educating there, I think that Hogwarts will still be a safe haven.
Ack, I just want this damn book to come out so we can stop tossing around these ideas. It's very frustrating to know that out there, there are people who already know what happens...cruel bastards.
Edit: To what Jimmy said, yeeeeah... I dunno about that. Maybe a different curse, but certaintly not Expelliamus. It's not powerful enough to kill someone. It just knocks their wand from their hand, nothing more. We need a dictionary of spells. THen we could have a proper argument about what else he could have used, I think.
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I'm not making any assumptions as to what curse he did use, Im just saying that Dumbledore was pretty much fucked anyway and Snape needed something flashy but not actually Unforgivable. Besdies, the disarming spell is red. Everyone knows that.
Also, if my theory proves correct then I also postulate that Snape did it because, for liablity reasons, it would have been the fall that killed Dumbledore, not the curse...
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...Dude, they're wizards. I don't think they care much about liabilities and such. That's kind of a muggle thing. Either way, the "fall" was caused by the curse/jinx/hex/spell/whatever you want to say he did in place of the Unforgivable, so -either way-, Severus is at fault... Unless, I miss understand something? And why are we all focusing on Dumbledore dying? He's dead, get over it. I don't think why, or how he died is going to play much of a part, except as to whether or not Severus is still "good' or "bad", which (I hope) is cleared up very early in the book.
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An unrelated prediction: Ron and Hermione are definitely going to end up together. It's set up too perfectly not to happen. It's the perfect cliche and frankly I don't see Rowling being a good enough writer to avoid it at this point. (Don't get me wrong, I love the HP series. The books are very entertaining. But literary brilliance they are not).
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::gasp:: Blashphemer!
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Uh PQ4 I'm a little disappointed you're too up for a Harry Potter argument to see a joke when it is fairly obvious. It's like when pirates say that for legal purposes, it will be the ocean that kills you.
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Also, Harry would NOT have to spend a lot of time traveling. He can Apparate.
I meant not spend a lot of time traveling, but traveling to many places. I don't expect him to stay in on place for long periods of time. He has searching to do and he's got to go out and do it. There may be a place he goes to in between, like headquarters or Hogwarts or something, but I think he's mostly going to be abroad. Apparate is still traveling, just a quick version of it.
And about Dumbledore, even if the possibility that Snape didn't use the AK, I severely doubt Dumbledore would have survived much after what he'd just gone through. He'd already pretty much lost a hand and he was very old (150 according to what people have been saying on Leaky Cauldron), so I don't think he would have survived after that potion he drank anyways. And I feel he had a noble death. Sirius didn't come back, Harry's parents didn't come back (and won't), so I am going to stick with Dumbledore staying dead.
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Riiiiight...
Yeah, it's been to long since I've had a decent Potter-related argument. I tend to walk away from them, as those who get into them with me are idiots who don't know what they are talking about... But i get it now...sort of. I need to go back to sleep, I think.
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Dumbledore is dead. He was killed by an Avada Kedavra and is dead.
But how do you know Dumbledore was hit by an Avada Kedavra curse? Yes, Snape said the words, but as we learned in the fourth book, if the words are spoken without any real power behing them, the intended victim wouldn't get so much as a nosebleed. We also know that it's possible to say a curse silently. So perhaps Snape said the words while using an entirely different curse, to make it look good for everyone else.
Also, Harry would NOT have to spend a lot of time traveling. He can Apparate.
But it's a moot point. For one thing, I never wrote my version — the amount of time I would have had to devote to it, plus my having to wrap up all those side plots (elves, giants, the werewolf who attacked Lupin, etc.) made it too difficult a task. And besides,we'll all find out for real in 10 days.
Dumbledore IS dead. Read any interview from Rowling since book six. He's dead and buried.
The traveling time is not a concern, but the searching is. Harry has no idea WHERE the Horcruxes are. He can't just apparate to where they are without knowing. He's not likely to have time in between TEACHING (Which takes a lot more time than merely attending school) classes to look for them, he'd need to dedicate all his time.
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Voldemort may die, but Harry wont kill him, at least not with any of the spells you guys know. They're called unforgiveable curses because they're evil. If any of you had seen Star Wars, you'd know that killing someone evilly just makes you evil. Cmon now, you don't want Harry to be a Dark Jedi.
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See, Kiff, I've been hoping for a few books that it would go down that way, but I suspect he has a bit too much Luke Skywalker in him and will wind up being the whiny little brat whose friends save him once again.
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Omg, I am so totally going to ingnore that your new sig is from one of my stories, Dan. Omg.
As for Harry Potter/Star Wars --TOTALLY AWESOME, but I think that J.K. may have realized the similarity and has made extra sure that it's not gonna go down like that. Plus, if it were something like that ---doing something evil, makes you evil, I think it would have come up before, you know? Although, I suppose Wormtail could be an example of that...I mean, sure he was an idiotic git, but was pretty good until ratting out the Potters and joining Voldemort.... Hmmmmm....
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Wow, I love the original poster's suggested ending. That would be extremely fitting, though unlikely it will actually happen. I was just discussing some predictions with my friend last night, so I figured I'd post 'em.
We both agreed it would be likely a weasley would die...either one of the twins or one of the parents die early, which would create tension with the either teh remaining parent or twin being distraught and would also offer some character development for Ron (we were both tired of Ron being second fiddle to everyone). I would hate for a twin to die, but if one died early and then the other went all beserk in the last battle...would rock.
We also thought Hagrid would probably die, just cause it seems every father-figure type character that Harry has dies. But Remus lives and subs in as a father figure for Harry (if Harry lives). If Remus dies though, he deserves an important death, stopping the werewolves or something.
Hermione should be wrong about something important for once. Neville and Luna should end up together, it would be too cute. They will go back to the Ministry and more will be revealed about the 'black veil'. I think there will be something with the Malfoy family that will be an important point. Ditto for Neville's parents. We thought maybe Hermione's parents would get killed in a Voldie killing spree in a muggle town. I think there mighta been more, but that's just stuff we thought would be fitting or likely to come up.
I'm so excited for the new book
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I'd guess one of the Weasley's is going to die as well, particularly likely a parent, Percy or Ginny. I wouldn't bank on the twins as they're really not in much of a dangerous position. They're not particularly active and would be about the least likely of the kids for Voldemort to strike out at in order to hurt the others.
The parents are likely for the obvious reasons of their involvement with the Order. Ginny, being Harry's primary love interest, would also carry a certain emotional weight. Percy is the most expendable and considering his current "outs" status with the rest of the family, killing him would create that "Oh, if only we'd tried harder in the end" tension.
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Just thought I'd throw this out there -- according to Rowling, the Dark Wanker's boggart would be his own corpse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boggart_%28Harry_Potter%29). And Obsessions, when Harry was dueling the boggart-dementor, it had a real dementor's powers (he heard his parents being murdered, everything went cold, the lights went out, and chocolate made him feel better).
Also, JKR has said that the only Potter book she'd write after DH would be an encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter#Future), based on her copious notes, that would be sold for charity á la Fantastic Beasts or Quidditch Through The Ages.
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To make things even more interesting, I found something in the Harry Potter books that supports CmonMiracle's notion that Harry could "kill" Voldemort without killing Tom Riddle.
I am in the middle of rereading the other six books so they will be fresh in my mind when I start on book seven. Here's an excerpt from the climax of book five, page 814 of the American edition:
"You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?" called Voldemort, his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. "Above such brutality, are you?"
"We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom," Dumbledore said. ... "Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit — "
"There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!" snarled Voldemort.
"You are quite wrong," said Dumbledore. ... "Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness — "
With those words fresh in my mind, I'm actually rooting for Harry to suck the Voldemort out of Riddle.
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Now if that last line wasn't a setup for another Harry Potter slash fiction sig, I dunno what is. I so call it.
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I'm waiting for my royalty checks from JKR.
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I am in the middle of rereading the other six books so they will be fresh in my mind when I start on book seven.
Man I really should do that. Sure I have to work and read for school but...well this honestly seems more important. Because to tell you the truth I don't remember anything from the earlier books. It's just so many pages....
What kind of scary things would Dumbledore by alluding to in that quote I wonder. Perhaps the Dementor's could do something worse than death but other than that it sounds like something decidedly not-fun-for-anyone-who-has-to-deal-with-it has yet to crop up.
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Well, there is the obvious of the Dementors, yes. It's been said that the Dementor's kiss is a fate worse than death.
I really do think the others are on to something with the idea of stripping him of his powers. I can't believe I never thought of that. It's been relevant in a few recent pop culture situations:
In Dogma, instead of killing the antagonists or sending them to Hell, God chooses to strip them of the divine presence granted to angels and bannishes them to Earth. Bartleby (One of Affleck's only good roles) refers to it as a loneliness and emptiness worse than death.
In the video game Knights of the Old Republic II, the protagonist is stripped of his connection to the force, a similar situation where his entire existence is muted and lifeless.
One could also argue that, even in the series, the Longbottoms' fate was worse than death.
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OK, so if the Snape thing I wrote above has, maybe, a 30-40% chance of happening in the book, this next bit - my ideal ending - has a .001% chance.
And that bugs me, since I like my ending so much that anything else seems blah.
So here is my ideal Harry Potter ending:
<STUFF!>
THAT is how I want the Harry Potter story to end.
Greatest ending EVER!
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Oh yeah. JKR said the last word would be scar, but she just changed it at last minute
I bet the end was like this:
They remembered him. They remembered his scar.
But then she changed it to:
They remembered his scar. They remembered him. I wish there were more bitches in these novels, yo. Where're my house elves at?
On a more serious note, I like Obssessions idea of killing of Percy. It would be all crazy and we'd all be like "Ohhhh thats so sad, now we can move on."
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What's going to happen to the Dursleys? Is Harry ever going to get revenge on them for bitching up his childhood?
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Most likely they will be raped to death by werewolves.
A similar fate hopefully awaits you.
Only nothing supernatural, just an angry dog.
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#1. Neville kills Voldemort. Harry might possibly die trying first, though I don't think he should, since he isn't a really tragic figure and I can't see that working well.
#2. Snape dies protecting Harry from Voldemort, in a Darth Vader-esque moment.
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Yeah I quite ashamed of myself that after a long hiatus from posting, but dedicated bouts of lurking, that the threads I have been most active in are about Harry Potter.
I blame my girlfriends enthusiasim for the new film/book. Its rubbed off on me!
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Awwww....The Pheonix Disarray cover made me wanna cry.
Richard Harris!!!! (And young Alan Rickman...yummy).
...The rest of them were creepy. I am not ashamed of my Harry Potte-dorkdum. I am rather proud, actually. To the point of being rather a bitch, as you may have noticed.
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If any of you Potter Nerds are (rightfully) ashamed of being seen in public reading this tripe, I have a solution for you.
Print out any one of these fake jacket covers (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/pottercovers.html).
So you would not want to hang out with me if I were reading it? :(
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I don't know about you guys, but I always take the jackets off.
But only because I am afraid they'll get ripped.
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Warning to all you guys who are actually planning to read the book:
A copy of the book (Only the first like 3/4 of it) has been leaked online, so if you're trying to avoid spoilers, I'd say watch yourselves.
And with that, I'll be hiding from this thread unti next week, when I should be done with the book.
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Tommy. I have a perfectly good reason to be a Harry Potter fan.
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That is to say, I get the book an hour before she does and I plan to call her up and start reading it to her while she's stuck in line waiting.
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That is fantastic.
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Is that alluring damsel your girlfriend, Daniel? You lucky scallywag.
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Hedwig dies
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Is that alluring damsel your girlfriend, Daniel? You lucky scallywag.
That is forumite sandysmilinstrange!
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Voldemort killed Lilly, that's what happened. And the moment he did that, Snape forever and irrevocably turned against Voldemort and swore vengance for what he did. That love of Lilly and that Voldemort killed her meant Snape would forever hate Voldemort is why Dumbledore trusted him ever after.
Actually, if Snape had turned to the good side then it really wouldn't have mattered as Lily died the night Voldemort vanished anyway. He had to have turned around and been spying for Dumbledore before then too be trusted, or to be able to spy at all.
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Is that alluring damsel your girlfriend, Daniel? You lucky scallywag.
That is forumite sandysmilinstrange!
That is not an answer to my question!
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The Prisoner Of Ass Cabin! hahah! Ass Cabin! hahah! Get it?
And my favorite comment from the first book cover:
"My wife read page one, screamed, and grew a cock."
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This is the absolute truth I completely made this shit up.
EDIT: If you have the means (http://cgi.ebay.com/EARLY-RELEASE-HARRY-POTTER-AND-THE-DEATHLY-HALLOWS_W0QQitemZ280135526734QQihZ018QQcategoryZ377QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem), you can own the book before almost anyone else.
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My friend Leland (although I'm having to re-assess our friendship now) thought it would be cute to go find the leaked book and send me an e-mail of all the spoilers.
Anyway, he accidentally got himself a fat virus instead. Ha. Ha.
Just saying, be wareful and don't be a shithead who wants to ruin people's good time.
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Yeah, the leak is all over the place now. I'm kind of upset about it, not only because it's freaking all over the place, but it ruins the excitement and well, it's illegal. I made the mistake of reading the supposed epilogue (because I wanted to see if it was a fake) and if that's how the book ends, I'll be a little disappointed. (EDIT: I am pretty sure it was/is a fake. If it's real, it'll probably make more sense once I've read the actual book.)
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There have supposedly been as many as three completely different versions of the book appearing online, so there's an off-chance that what you read actually wasn't the epilogue.
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Linds, was your 'epilogue' the '19 Years Later' one? ...Lame.
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haha, well, I have to wait like one more day for the leak to be a moot point. so whatever.
personally, I think Ginny'll die, based on relatioships not working in the hero cycle. the hero walks alone, blah blah blah.
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Linds, was your 'epilogue' the '19 Years Later' one? ...Lame.
Edited: Yes.
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STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! GEEZ.
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It seems like a good time to mention that if anyone posts leaked spoilers in this thread, I'll make sure they're permabanned. Don't be a douche and ruin something fun for everyone.
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I was just going to say --if you want to talk spoilers, do it in the spoiler thread (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,16065.0.html) where the rest of us can avoid it. On a similar note, I was reading an article the other day about a Letter To the Editor of the New York Times, which apparently ran an early review of DH, and the person got it dead on saying something about people who post spoilers knowing that it is against the author's wishes have no respect for that author, and they aren't real fans.
Aren't you going to feel like a bit of an asshat if that ending is true? Stop being a jerk, and just wait patiently like the rest of us.
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Book finished! Yaay! And boo.
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Hurry up and read guys!
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Stupid Hodges Figgis with their not getting people to pay for the book before it went on sale so we could get out quicker-like. I was queueing for an hour after it went on sale.
Also a bastard of a taxi driver tried to spoil it on us. BASTARD.
Still. Hurry up people.
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I probably won't be able to read it until after Comic Con, so I'm probably going to have it spoiled for me in one way or another.
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Seriously, hurry up and read it and talk in the spoilers thread.
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Guys, I don't have it yet, Gabbly is being mean and talking about it, so keep all the spoilers in the other thread?
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Finished.
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I haven't even been able to buy it yet. I have no money!! Hopefully I can go on tuesday and get the 5th, 6th and 7th HP books and read them all before I have to go back to uni... :(
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I bought it yesterday, but I'm taking my time reading it, one chapter, then a break, then another chapter and so on.. I don't want it to be over just yet.
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Well I didn't go to work today. I called in sick. I was sorta sick but not really. Basically I just wanted to finish this. I'm pretty glad I did.
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About 21-22 chapters in, but now I am in work and so must wait... damn
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I got it at a midnight release at a small Borders in New Hampshire while up visiting family. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to read it until Sunday (Spent Saturday at Six Flags and loaned it to a friend to read Saturday), by which time, I'd had one major spoiler and one fake spoiler leaked to me. I was so scared shitless of further spoilage, I ended up tanking through the whole book in one sitting. Considering I didn't get back to my apartment with the book in tow until almost 6 PM yesterday, I am, suffice to say, really FUCKING tired!
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Which spoilers were leaked to you? I'm just curious.