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Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 26 Jan 2006, 13:50
There is much debate on the subject,and it has been argued in other threads (and possibly this particular one,though I did not see it) But,which is YOUR favorite addition into the Final Fantasy series? Personally,I believe that the ninth in the series is the cat's pajamas,but a good deal of others depise this one or label it juvenile..bastards.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Gryff on 26 Jan 2006, 14:01
Hmm, FFVIII was the one I probably played the most, but I do recognise its deficiencies in magic system and story (what was with the last disc? I don't know). I did love IX - I thought it had much better battle and experience systems - but I didn't quite finish that one (mostly 'cause my friend wanted his borrowed game back). X consumed a lot of my time as well and had the funnest mini-game (blitzball) of all of them. Hmm.

Most people will say VI or VII though, I guess. I never really played either of them that much I will admit.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 26 Jan 2006, 14:07
i loved nine because it was so childish, but my over all favourite was definitely seven. it was the first RPG i ever played, and i owe my undying love of this genre to seven. it also has the ebst storyline i've ever come across, the best charecters in any game ever, and just more good ideas in total than probably any other game in history. so, final fantasy seven wins hands down. and i guess that six comes second.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: est on 26 Jan 2006, 14:24
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is the only one i've played (other than FFXI Online, which was fun while it lasted).  i racked up about 120-140 hours on that game over a year or so of playing it on the train on my way to and from work, so i can say that i got a lot of replay out of it.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 26 Jan 2006, 19:06
People seem to find IX hard to accept because it's characters are cute..but it has all of the damns and hells of any other Fantasy! The ability system can get annoying though..I think VII's materia system would have to take the cake there. Golly..My love of Final Fantasy is the only thing that is still stereotypically nerdy about me.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Jan 2006, 19:23
I still say FFVI takes the cake. Good gameplay (every character had a unique skill), (most of) the characters are well developed, and the storyline isn't quite as ridiculous as many of the later ones.

FFVII is a close second, though.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Kai on 26 Jan 2006, 19:23
well that and IX's story was pretty cliche, boring and shitty.



I'm a big VI fanboy. I didn't play VII much. VIII blew. Didn't get into X, nor X-2.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 26 Jan 2006, 22:57
Okay, so here's my take on every Final Fantasy game I've played to completion in my own personal ranked order


7.) Final Fantasy VI
     Analysis: Not my cup of tea at all. The characters were developed okay, but there were too many to do justice in that short of a game. The idea of the story was decent, but was not executed as well as in subsequent Final Fantasy games. The magic system was pretty good, but not all that great. Also, I felt a lot of the dialogue was very campy and this grated on my nerves a lot throughout the game.

6.) Final Fantasy X-2
     Analysis: Again, campy, but this one was campy from beginning to end and made it more tolerable. Plus, I am sucker for closure and with Final Fantasy X ending the way it did, I really needed the closure of beating this one 100%. Not much of a story, really, but a good continuation of the FFX universe that I liked to see. Plus, an incredibly satisfying ending (if you got 100%) Call hersey all you want, I won't put this one under VI.

5.) Final Fantasy Tactics
     Analysis: Very fun little game. The class system was very well executed and the characters were done pretty well. The story felt a bit rushed at the end, as most of the game seemed to be developing a bunch of twists and turns and then they rushed to tie all the loops together at the end. Still a very cool concept (Start the biggest war in the history of the world? How badass is that?) and a good ending that I enjoyed.

4.) Final Fantasy IX
     Analysis: Very underrated game, in my opinion. How are these characters 'cute'? They're just as cute as any other Final Fantasy characters, I think. Anyway, a good abilities/magic system - one of my favorites - and a pretty good story. I really liked that you actually HAD to lose in some places to continue the story and I very much enjoyed the ATE feature. Although Necron kind of comes out of nowhere, the ending is one of my favorite parts of this game and chocographing is a terrific minigame.

3.) Final Fantasy VIII
     Analysis: I guess this could be called my guilty pleasure, but I don't feel guilty about liking this game at all. Characterization is probably better here than any other Final Fantasy (save X) and the snowball effect of one thing turning into another turning into another during the story I always felt was great. I really enjoyed the magic/skills system and the drawing of GFs from enemies. The ending is great, too. For awhile this was actually my favorite Final Fantasy and, on a given day, still could be.

2.) Final Fantasy X
     Analysis: Great game, the first of the voiced over PS2 era and it got the critics of VIII and IX off Square's back pretty quick. Every step closer you get to Zanarkand, you just start holding your breath more and more. It really gets you involved in the story. Probably the best Final Fantasy in terms of characterization, or maybe thats just due to being able to hear their voices. Only a few rough patches in the voice-acting, but I was able to forgive those few instances. Terrific ending, real tear-jerker and definitely makes you wanna play X-2.

1.) Final Fantasy VII
     Analysis: C'mon. The best overall set of characters, the materia system, the best enemy of any Final Fantasy. Best TWIST! Of any Final Final Fantasy. Throw in The Death Scene, limit breaks, politics. God, I could go on. That and the ending was probably the best of an Final Fantasy, allowing for tons of 'what ifs' and theories on what the ending meant. I am so awaiting Advent Children (I refuse to watch it subtitled) and Dirge of Cerberus (!!!).
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Jan 2006, 23:17
God, Sephiroth is such a freaking stereotypical villain. He's a standard effeminate, 'misunderstood' psychopath with a mysterious past. There's nothing that separates him from any of the other billion characters just like him. Stop worshipping him, dammit.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Something Witty on 27 Jan 2006, 02:36
Quote from: est
FFXI Online


Man FFXI was a blast, wasn't it?  I played the FUCK out of that game before I switched to WoW.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Switchblade on 27 Jan 2006, 02:57
I'm not really as much of an FF nut as some, and there's now way I'm a purist  - the real FF fanboys would probably kill me when they learn I've clocked more hours in X-2 than any other FF...

But I really enjoyed Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. seriously, the skill, class and level system in that FF incarnation is teh funkey.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Fabio on 27 Jan 2006, 03:11
I've finished 1,2,3/6,7,8,9,10,10-2 ans tactics advance.

My favourate was 9 by far but i loved tactics, a close second.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: patch on 27 Jan 2006, 03:25
i think that ffviii is my favourite, just as it was the first one i have played and completed completely several times. i liked the leveling system of X but 800 nodes? i havent been bothered to level my guys up enough to beat the dark aeons and other scary things. that and blitzball.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: eagle14 on 27 Jan 2006, 04:16
they are so different its hard to chose between 7 8 9 or 10
i never got to apreciate 1-6 fully due to playing seven first!
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: DavidGrohl on 27 Jan 2006, 10:08
FF VI

  FF IX

 FF VII
 
 FF VIII


FFs I hated :  X . . X-2 . . worst games ever.
                    In X you played around 1/4 of your playtime, the rest was    
                    reading scripted text . . which wouldn't bother me that much
                    if the story wouldn't have been completely pointless and stupid

                   X-2 too many grievences to mention
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 27 Jan 2006, 23:59
Quote from: Storm Rider
God, Sephiroth is such a freaking stereotypical villain. He's a standard effeminate, 'misunderstood' psychopath with a mysterious past. There's nothing that separates him from any of the other billion characters just like him. Stop worshipping him, dammit.


It's not so much his attitude that makes him the best villain of any Final Fantasy, its what he does and how ruthless and powerful he is. He burns down an entire town, kills the leader of the Turks, possesses Cloud, unleashes the Weapons, creates a nearly impenetrable barrier around Northern Crater by sheer force of unconscious will...

Kuja is number two on my list because he destroys an entire world, creates an army of Mages who he forces into his bidding knowing full well they're only made to die and tries to destroy all life as we know it.

Compare that to -
Ultimecia, who possesses first Edea then Rinoa

Kefka, who moves some statues around and uses their power to do the badass stuff he did

Yu Yevon, who is a parasite and uses his armor to do the cool stuff he did

or Shuiyin, who possesses a couple people and tries to take over a giant machina.

Thumbs down to those four. Thumbs up to Sephiroth and Kuja.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Kai on 28 Jan 2006, 06:20
Quote from: I Am Not Amused

Kefka, who moves some statues around and uses their power to do the badass stuff he did



Dude. HE BURNED DOWN ONE TOWN, POISONED ANOTHER. Even though he used statues, he still killed shitloads of people, brainwashed a huge mass of people, formed a cult, And generally just tries to destroy and fuck up everything he can. So sephiroth is stronger? He's still a fucking pussy.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: ElRodente on 28 Jan 2006, 10:02
Quote from: I Am Not Amused
I am so awaiting Advent Children (I refuse to watch it subtitled) and Dirge of Cerberus (!!!).


what the fuck?

dubbing will ruin it, i don't want anything but subtitled dirge of cerberus, speaking of which

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7985073303233220183&q=Dirge+of+Cerberus
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: ASturge on 28 Jan 2006, 15:54
Quote from: Storm Rider
God, Sephiroth is such a freaking stereotypical villain. He's a standard effeminate, 'misunderstood' psychopath with a mysterious past. There's nothing that separates him from any of the other billion characters just like him. Stop worshipping him, dammit.


YEEESSS
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 28 Jan 2006, 17:45
Personally,I think Kefka is the shit as regards being an evil bastard,but he dosen't show much more personality then just being a dick (at least up until the later parts of the game.) Ultamecia would be better if she were a better developed character. Now that I think about it,she reminds me alot of Zemus in IV.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Kai on 28 Jan 2006, 18:04
I do agree they could have probably fleshed Kefka out a bit more, but what the hell.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: IronOxide on 29 Jan 2006, 09:16
I liked Kuja and Sepiroth until I realized that they're the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. Of the ones I've finished I'd go

Tactics Advance
X
IX
VII

I haven't beaten VIII yet, I'm stuck at the beginning of the last disc, and X-2 hasn't been played since my brother wrote over my file, destroying my zeal for it.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 29 Jan 2006, 15:21
sephiroth pwns man - he looks cool, he's compeltely insane, and he has the most awesome weapon in any final fantasy. plus, he's just a way more interesting charecter than anyone else. he wealks away witht the best villain award.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: FreshJive787 on 29 Jan 2006, 22:44
my favorite is VIII because of the card game :P
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 31 Jan 2006, 08:10
shit, i forogt about the card game. i don't think it's as cool as blitzball but it was a really nice touch. i managed to get every card without losing a single game... although to my eternal shame i kept saving and loading to do it. also, that sorta rhymed. i should be an emcee.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Qui Gon Zel on 31 Jan 2006, 08:14
How can you not think that Kefka is the greatest villain of the Final Fantasy series?

The man weaseled his way into the inner circle Gestahl's empire. Watched and waited for the moment to strike all the while building his magical power.

When the time was right, he killed the Emperor and harnessed the statues of the GODDESSES OF MAGIC!! ALL magic!

Using that power, he rearranged the face of the planet. The planet. Countless millions(possibly billions) of lives lost.

Sephiroth. Has mother issues. Killed really a very minor character who didn't have any real importance until the finale when holy was used. Sephiroth burned one village down (oooh, scary).

The forms you fight at the end, Bizarro Sephiroth and Safer Sephiroth aren't even the real Seph. They're botched clones.

Plus Kefka's "Goner" beats the hell out of "Supernova" any day of the week.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 31 Jan 2006, 18:10
Necron's main attack (something Circle,I can't quite remember..) causes quite a RUCKUS as well!
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 01 Feb 2006, 05:13
man, kefka was some fat psycopath on a power trip. there's nothing cool about that. saying kefka is cooler than sephiroth is like saying nazi's are cooler than ninja's. there's more to being badass than death counts and status.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 05 Feb 2006, 00:29
Fighting Kefka was the biggest anti-climax of any frigging final battle I've ever played in any game ever. He was, seriously, so fucking easy I could have cried. Showing that he was, actually, a giant fucking pansy. And how can a giant fucking pansy be the best Final Fantasy villain?

Also, if you wanna go on a pure destruction route, then you have to say Sin/Yu Yevon over Kefka. Sin destroyed every city in the world about fifteen billion times in the course of 2000 years, racking up quite the fucking death toll, creating a religion which hid the truth of his nature from the entire plane and forced hundreds of human sacrifices over the years in the name of aforementioned religion - both summoners, their guardians and the fayth. The fayth, in response to Sin, created an entire dream plane of existence in order to find someone who could possibly combat Sin. Sin also ran the entire daily lives of everyone on Spira so every single thought started first with Sin.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Hat on 06 Feb 2006, 02:11
V for the job system, for having pirates, and for Gilgameshes theme music.

I don't give a crap what anyone else says, seriously, that was a fucking great theme song.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 06 Feb 2006, 14:00
i never played five, so i have to take yr word for it.

i did however play ten and have to admit that sin sure is a tough motherfucker. and blitzball is the best sugame by a hundred miles.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: ElRodente on 06 Feb 2006, 14:21
restarted 7 a couple of days ago, i'm 13 hours in and just past costa del sol

level 25 wooo


jenova was too fucking easy, and i beat yuffie in 2 moves :(


i didnt need no chocobo to get past the zoloms neither
i have 4 of clouds limits, and 4 of tifa's too... am i going too fast (tifa only has 5, they all string together)
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Storm Rider on 06 Feb 2006, 20:25
Quote from: almost thursday
man, kefka was some fat psycopath on a power trip. there's nothing cool about that. saying kefka is cooler than sephiroth is like saying nazi's are cooler than ninja's. there's more to being badass than death counts and status.


So wait, being psychotic is only cool if you're skinny?
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Kai on 06 Feb 2006, 21:42
...Kefka was fat?!
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 06 Feb 2006, 23:32
OK I really havent played many Final Fantasy games.  And I'll immediately eleiminate all sprite based ones from contention simply because it is near impossible to actually relate on any level or actually car too much about hte characters.  Sure interesting story is a possibility but not actually caring.

Now of course, Im gonna say FFVII was prime.  Great cast of chars, love'em or hate'em Sephiroth and Cloud were giants among men.  Great twists, the scope of the game grew with your characters.  This wasn't your typical new-badass-mofo-trying-to-open-the-gateway-for-ultimate-evil-in-which-he-ultimately-succeeds-but-you-kill-him-then-the-ultimate-evil-anyway.  If anything it was your atypical plot of the same with a deep engrossing story full of memorable characters with so many layers that you dont really see how similar this game is to others.

I guess what I am trying to say is, you may knock FFVII for being have a contrived synopsis, but its a game of characters you feel for.  The ultimate plot your running through is reflected through the characters and how they deal with the situations.  Starting off as a simple just cause vs unjust cause.  Turning into a general good vs evil fight.  And ending with a battle between the goodness vs evilness innate in all mankind.  An allegory for whatever.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: almost thursday on 07 Feb 2006, 14:16
Quote from: Storm Rider
So wait, being psychotic is only cool if you're skinny?


as far as i can tell.

Quote from: kai
...kefka was fat?!


hell yeah. fatter than sephiroth, anyway.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 08 Feb 2006, 11:41
I think we can all agree that Sin was the fatty. I have yet to defeat VI,but only because I have taken a long hiatus from a very long leveling up session before entering his tower. As far as music,I believe that IX takes the cake among cakes,not only because it is my favorite,but because it is so! If you disagree,play or replay the segment in Terra in which Zidane is completely delirious after being told of his origin by Garland. Absolutely fucking brilliant.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: nescience on 08 Feb 2006, 12:27
Quote from: almost thursday
shit, i forogt about the card game. i don't think it's as cool as blitzball but it was a really nice touch. i managed to get every card without losing a single game... although to my eternal shame i kept saving and loading to do it. also, that sorta rhymed. i should be an emcee.


Same with the card game for me (besides the rhymes).  The card game, initial plot, and visual elements of FFVIII are almost enough to make it my favorite, but FFVI is infallible.  Any game that can get me to spend 255 battles "double-checking" on a known hoax (Cursed Ring --> Paladin Ring) is total tits IMO.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 10 Feb 2006, 14:55
FFIX was the best. Tactics, VII, and X are close behind (in no particular order). and VIII was utter rubbish.
Special recognition also goes out to FFII for getting me addicted to rpgs at a very young age (i didnt know what i was playing or doing but i loved it).
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 15 Feb 2006, 18:35
When I first palyed VIII,I was very turned off by it,unable to grasp the extremely complicated Junction system..but once I matured,I gave it another shot,and pulverized the shit out of the game. Can you say learning every single GF ability in the game? Getting to level 100 (which you can do in VIII,unlike the others)? I can,bra'.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 17 Feb 2006, 10:58
yeah i've been thinking about doing that very thing actually. thought i'd start ffviii all over and give it another chance but yesterday i started playing through IX again and now im sucked in.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Kai on 17 Feb 2006, 12:01
Quote from: almost thursday

Quote from: kai
...kefka was fat?!


hell yeah. fatter than sephiroth, anyway.



Well, Sephiroth was secretly bulimic.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Merkava on 17 Feb 2006, 19:26
Quote from: Storm Rider
God, Sephiroth is such a freaking stereotypical villain. He's a standard effeminate, 'misunderstood' psychopath with a mysterious past. There's nothing that separates him from any of the other billion characters just like him. Stop worshipping him, dammit.


Who ever said Sephiroth was the main villian? Jenova, anyone? Still, Sephy is annoyingly worshipped. He wasn't that great. He's cool, but not that cool.

Oh, and Kefka sucked because he didn't have any depth. Sure he was crazy, but after a while, I realized that there wasn't any point to his existence.

FFVII is the best out of the series. At least, it was the most "successful" and "revolutionary". Either way, I have yet to find a game as solid as it. Everything was great, and it really changed my life in terms of what I looked for in games. It will always have a place in my heart.

Tactics was brilliant also, but it didn't really have as much overall importance as VII. Still, it has one of the best plots in any game, and it's the only SRPG I've fully enjoyed.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 17 Feb 2006, 21:52
I was going to mention Jenova being the one who pulled Sephiroth's strings (literally, anyone look above Bizarro-Sephiroth in the second to last battle? There's a Jenova, pulling Bizarro-Sephy along like a marionette). But I figured that could only diminish my argument against Kefka.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Orena on 19 Feb 2006, 05:03
Hey !
played and finished IV VI VII VIII IX X X-2 ...
IV was my favourite for a long time (i loved the Cain character as a whole...the theme of redemption was cool)

VI is tricky...i liked it , but i never really felt for the characters...I dont know if this was because i played it after VII or what , but I just wasnt huge into it (although i love the whole world change event , very cool)

VII My first and favourite - have never had so much fun with a game since (original metal gear solid on PS came close)...this game had everything , for me...even if Sephiroth can be called a big fat cliche , its the fact that he's the PERFECT cliche...man he was just friggin cool , who didnt hate him after he plunged the sword ? that whole scene was mind blowing... oh my god im going to kill her ?? oh ok im not...wait whats sephiroth...ARRRG!!...then worst of all you have to fight Jenova with Aeris' theme playing . Gut wrenching !! Hated the ending though , thats the one pieve i have .

VIII Junction took a while to get used to but was very fun once you spent the time at it - no character development cept for squall and rinoa - but i loved the whole love-story thing and when rinoa gets possessed (on the space station ) its very creepy an well done . Best ending of the series in my opinion .

IX probably my second favourite...the characters had a cartoony look but the story was very very dark at times , especially anything revolving around vivi ,and i think it works great in contrast . Brilliant ending too , i especially love the line Quina gets...can't remember it now but it was something like "when cooking for friends cook with love" or something corny like that .

X Cool soundtrack , didnt like Tidus much as a main character though . Auron ws fun , and what the feck was with Wakkas accent...Good game but not in my top 3 i fear .

X 2 Fun but no replayability for me...just dont want to get that 100% . Cutscenes were cool though and it was a bold move from square so fair play . On a side note , the CTS battle system for X and X-2 was my favourite of the series .
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Post by: EssJay89 on 19 Feb 2006, 21:06
The best Final Fantasy I think is Final Fantasy X-2 that was fucktastic I was a well done game and I loved the cut-scenes and the 2 songs that were done for the game 'Real Emotions' and '1000 words' were great songs. I even downloaded those music cutscenes cos they were kickass
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 19 Feb 2006, 22:28
One of the very cool things about the Final Fantasy series is, in my opinion, its contrast. Though it almost always deals with the exact same storyline in different variations (just above average guy thrown whose personal goals lead into a fight for the entire world) there's still enough variety for everyone to like the different games more than any other. I think, from VI to X-2, every single game has been counted as someone's favorite - to me, that's remarkable.
Title: WHY CORY LOOOOOOVES FINAL FANTASY IX BLAHAHA
Post by: Cartilage Head on 20 Feb 2006, 03:54
1.Amazing story,and to me,the greatest of all FF's. Flawless character development,unbelievably deep plot,and I believe the deepest characters in any cast. Plus,the ending is the absolute best of any I have played,it leaves mysteries,sure,but less than ones such as VII (Goddamn your brilliant vagueness!)

2.Brilliant graphics,beautfiful music (OMG THE CLIMACTIC SCENES ARE LIKE OMG). While not as advanced as these new fangled role-players,the graphics are just so DIFFERENT. And I find them absolutely LOVELY and MYSTICAL. And good god at the music. I have brought up this scene before (it is one of my absolute favorites in the series),but the scene after Garland tells Zidane something SUPER-SECRET while in Terra,his moment of absolute doubt while his allies attempt at all they can do to help him,and finally bring him out of the darkness..beautiful.

3. Very fun skill system. The ability system is simple and very fun. My one gripe is that all of the different things you can do with your weapons leads to you having a very full inventory and not being able to sell if you need to. But,IX was the one that I spent the second most time with leveling up and gathering my shit. IX was an absolute brilliant and beautiful experience,and I do not like those who dissagree with me!
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 21 Feb 2006, 11:52
i like the being able to change jobs. i always thought that was a fun system for abilitys. see: tactics, x-2, and XI. the materia system in VII was fun too because it was very unique. but as far as custimization...i think IX has the best (custimization wise) because you can pick every ability you do or dont want your characters to learn.
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Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 16:37
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 16:37
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 16:37
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 16:37
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 16:37
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 19:02
im a hardcore 7 fan.  it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game.  it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line.  i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 19:10
shit son sorry for the manyt dupe reply my intranet is f'ed up
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Post by: Chesire Cat on 02 Mar 2006, 20:59
im a hardcore 7 fan. it was the first game i bought for computer and i still play that game. it was the first game ive ever gotten caught up in the story line. i still play it to this day.
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 02 Mar 2006, 21:32
hey i allready appologized
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 05 Mar 2006, 13:21
Haha..you must REELAY be a fan!
Title: The Most Fantastic Fantasy!
Post by: Hustler on 10 Mar 2006, 01:27
Of the games with the Final Fantasy name (whether or not they are part of the 'series' is debatable), these are the ones I've beaten: FF6, FF 7, FF 9, FFT, FFT: A, and Mystic Quest.  I'd rank them about like this:

1. Final Fantasy Tactics- I've played this game more than any other game I own, except perhaps for Chrono Trigger.  Aside from the atrocious translation, everything here is damn near perfect.  The story's still one of the best I've experienced, the characters fleshed out, and the gameplay peerless among strategic RPGs.  On my all-time top five, easy.

2. Final Fantasy 7- Easily the most significant of the series, as it not only took RPGs in a more modern and mature direction, but it made the genre mainstream in a way it hadn't been before.  Not to mention it was the perfect showcase for the PS1's superior graphics in the cinematic department.  But even when you strip all that away, you're still left with a great game; the gameplay is still my favorite of the main FF series, the story and infamous twist top-notch, and the characters a refreshing change from the archetypes of earlier RPGs.  It also had what I consider the ideal party size for an RPG.  Definitely in my all-time top ten.

3. Final Fantasy 6- Also a great game, it just loses a couple points for having somewhat less engaging characters, several of whom were almost completely extraneous.  Still a fine RPG in every category, just slightly below 7 in most of them.  Not in my top ten, but if I ever did a top twenty, it's definitely on there.  Also, it had a much more satisfying ending than 7.

4. Final Fantasy 9- Decent, but a big step down from the other three.  I definitely didn't like the characters here, and the story didn't pull me in the way I had expected from the Final Fantasy series up to this point.  Gameplay also didn't wow me, the Trance system felt broken, and the characters were very unbalanced.  I did enjoy the ability system though; it's been in several games, and I always like it.  Also, the visual style of this game, and how it hearkened back to the older RPGs, was also something interesting.  Not gonna make any of my top lists, but I still was glad I played it.  I doubt I ever replay it, though.

5. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance- Now this game was pretty bad.  Undeserving of its namesake in pretty much every way.  The story?  Terrible, not fit for anyone over about 10.  Characters?  Grating.  Visuals?  Cloyingly cute.  Combat?  They combined the gameplay of Tactics Ogre and FFT and somehow came out with something worse than both of those.  Again, this one has that likeable ability system, where the skills are in the equipment, but that's small consolation, especially since said system was better implemented in titles like FF 9 and Vandal Hearts 2.  And forget about the judges, that's a whole other issue.  Ironically, this game had much more replay value than FFT in theory, with the ability to play after completing the main story, and a host of optional quests to do.  But the overall experience was so bland and irritating that after I beat the game, I never turned it on again.

6. Final Fantasy Mystic Quest- I don't care if it was supposed to be a beginner's RPG.  It just has too much suck for words.  You want a good beginner's RPG, then play the one I did first: EarthBound.  Simple, but still quite enjoyable.  Everything Mystic Quest wasn't.
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Post by: Rubby on 10 Mar 2006, 12:25
No matter what game is better, VIII had the best opening movie of any video game ever made, EVER!
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Post by: Cartilage Head on 11 Mar 2006, 07:38
GODDAMNIT!! NINE OWNS YOUR BALLS!!
  I cannot think of one with a more completely satisfying experience! A perfectly balanced skill and battle system,amazing characters (that people seem not to like simply because they don't LOOK like pop stars) and the most tolerable ending EVER! GAWWD!!
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Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 11:23
I just remember not liking the story of nine much. Cliche-esque.
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Post by: Hustler on 11 Mar 2006, 13:58
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GODDAMNIT!! NINE OWNS YOUR BALLS!!
  I cannot think of one with a more completely satisfying experience! A perfectly balanced skill and battle system,amazing characters (that people seem not to like simply because they don't LOOK like pop stars) and the most tolerable ending EVER! GAWWD!!


I actually felt the combat in this game was among the least balanced, and least enjoyable, of the entire series.  And it wasn't the visual aspect of the characters that bothered me, it was how uninspired and often irritating they were.  Also, I never like it when a game forces you to use your main character, and promptly makes him one of the weakest of the whole team.  It was one of my few gripes about Super Mario RPG, too.
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Post by: Rubby on 11 Mar 2006, 14:45
Fuck, thanks for reminding me about Super Mario RPG, I loved that game. Anyways to add to my point above, how can there even be an argument; III was the best (that’s North American III, I dont know which number it is in Japan but it’s the one with Tera and Kefka and King Edgar and all that). The battles were straight forward, but not too easy, the characters were fully fleshed out, and the story, oh god the story, it still blows my mind and I've beaten it like 5 or 6 times. VII was great, I'm still playing X but it's fun so far VIII was even pretty cool (and lets not forget II), but come on guys, its all about fuckin Kefka!
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Post by: Hustler on 12 Mar 2006, 00:06
Quote from: Rubby
Fuck, thanks for reminding me about Super Mario RPG, I loved that game. Anyways to add to my point above, how can there even be an argument; III was the best (that’s North American III, I dont know which number it is in Japan but it’s the one with Tera and Kefka and King Edgar and all that). The battles were straight forward, but not too easy, the characters were fully fleshed out, and the story, oh god the story, it still blows my mind and I've beaten it like 5 or 6 times. VII was great, I'm still playing X but it's fun so far VIII was even pretty cool (and lets not forget II), but come on guys, its all about fuckin Kefka!


No problem, always glad to help people remember an RPG as good as that one.  And in Japan FF 3 was FF 6, one of the ones I did complete.  I would have to argue that the characters weren't as fleshed out as later installments, and a couple of them seemed downright superfluous from both a story and gameplay standpoint.  That's one of the reasons I gave 7 the slight edge over it; it had fewer characters, but they were all used much more effectively, and no one felt like a fifth wheel.  The story in 6 was good, and Kefka's still a rather unique villain in the RPG genre, someone who lacks outright power, but more than makes up for it with his cunning and outright lunacy.  However, as fine a game as it is, I still didn't get immersed in it as completely as I was with FF 7 and Tactics.
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Post by: Cartilage Head on 12 Mar 2006, 12:07
FINE!! *Pouts*
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Post by: Hustler on 14 Mar 2006, 20:53
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FINE!! *Pouts*


Hey, you liking nine isn't that bad.  At least you aren't supporting Tactics Advance.
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Post by: SomeOtherGuy on 14 Mar 2006, 20:55
NOBODY supports tactics advanced... unless they have never heard of original tactics... and then they should be shot in the face.
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Post by: Hustler on 14 Mar 2006, 21:04
Quote from: SomeOtherGuy
NOBODY supports tactics advanced... unless they have never heard of original tactics... and then they should be shot in the face.


Precisely.  I mean, I'm not one of those Xbox fanboys who goes aorund calling every Nintendo product kiddy, but let's face it; in the case of Tactics Advance, the label fits.  Big time.  It's a bad game all by itself, but even more offensive in its sucktitude because of how opposite it is from the first Tactics.
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Post by: Kai on 15 Mar 2006, 08:36
It wasn't really meant to be another tactics though. Some of the battles in the original tactics took me like, a good hour and a half to two hours. Not well suited for a portable thing.
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Post by: Chesire Cat on 15 Mar 2006, 10:15
Still doesn't forgive the fact that every battle plays out the same.  YAWN!
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Post by: Hustler on 15 Mar 2006, 12:05
Quote from: Spinless
The original tactics never got a UK release.
Don't think there was a PAL version at all. So no tactics for the aussies either.


You know, I was looking at some big million seller game list the other day, and I noticed that outside of the US and Japan, FFT had sold virtually no copies.  I guess that's part of the reason why.  Well, if you are any fan of strategic RPGs, you MUST import this game.  It's the king of the genre in both gameplay and story, even if said story is poorly translated.  Really, the only thing lacking from this game was a decent editor to correct the many glaring errors in the dialogue, skill names, and so on.

Oh, and Kai, I've never had a battle in Tactics go that long unless:

1. I was trying to steal stuff or learn something from a boss (getting the Genji equipment and Ultima being the two chief examples)

2. I was trying to find the path to the next level in the Deep Dungeon

3. I went and ate dinner while the game was still on.

However, it was never a question of putting Tactics on the GBA, I doubt the meager system could handle the game.  But creating a bastardized mix of FFT and TO, with a straight-up Disney story thrown into the mix (and not good Disney, I mean like straight-to-video sequel Disney)......there had to be some better options out there.  Just a scaled-down port would've been far superior, even if it wasn't original.
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Post by: Cartilage Head on 15 Mar 2006, 18:13
Hell if this isn't a nice,long-lasting forum! You guys are SUPERCOOL. NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!
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Post by: Cartilage Head on 15 Mar 2006, 18:15
As far as Tactics goes,it was delightful! i have yet to beat it or get very far,but I need to attempt again some day!
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Post by: Fabio on 16 Mar 2006, 09:09
I just rebought 7 and damn, i love it but i really can't stop thinking of the remake, dear god i hope it will actually be released.

BUT one thing that annoys me about 7, it leaves you wanting more infoo on cloud and separoth's pasts, and only the japanise have access to ALL of the books and games that clear it all up.

Did you know there's a damn mobile phone FF7 game!?
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Post by: Kirbo on 16 Mar 2006, 09:51
Isn't it also only in Japan?
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Post by: Fabio on 16 Mar 2006, 14:42
I want that damn phone game -_-

Maybe you're right, when i finished my current playthrough of FF7 i shall wiki it, and expand my knowladge!

Also i think nine is my fave still though ;)
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Post by: Mr. Oysterhead on 16 Mar 2006, 14:59
I concur. Nine is awesome! Vivi and Quina ftw!
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Post by: Fabio on 17 Mar 2006, 09:01
Just found something that may interest you lot, how to beat emerald weapon in under two minutes (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7592028341556477134&q=final+fantasy+7)

Works with clouds last limit too. ;)


Have to admit though FF7 wins on terms of super bosses, i mean all ff9 had was ozma, who is actually just a matter of luck if you win or not because you can actually beat him with an average level of 1, because most of his attacks are percentage attacks.
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Post by: onewheelwizzard on 17 Mar 2006, 09:22
Am I the only one who liked FF1 and FFIV?  I'm actually working on FF7 for the first time right now, and it looks good, but FF1 was the old school hotness and FFIV (which I think was the first with any sort of job system, which it did very well) was awesome.  They went to the freakin' moon!

OK, so VI was better and I haven't played any of the others.  But still!  The old school hotness!
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Post by: Hustler on 17 Mar 2006, 17:18
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Am I the only one who liked FF1 and FFIV?  I'm actually working on FF7 for the first time right now, and it looks good, but FF1 was the old school hotness and FFIV (which I think was the first with any sort of job system, which it did very well) was awesome.  They went to the freakin' moon!

OK, so VI was better and I haven't played any of the others.  But still!  The old school hotness!


Yeah, although my longer post above didn't mention 4, that's just because  was focusing on FF games I had completed.  I have played fairly decent-sized portions of both IV (don't remember how far I got exactly, but it was a good 6 or 7 hours in) and V (I got to the end of the first world), and both were good.  Definitely below VI, but likely above IX, with IV ranked a bit above V, just because it had the superior story.  I can never really support a game where the main enemy is called X-Death.  That is one of the worst and most unoriginal boss names in existence.  Oh, and for fans of FF IV, Cecil does make a cameo in Square's Super NES game Secret of Evermore.
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Post by: Chesire Cat on 17 Mar 2006, 22:17
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Secret of Evermore.


Fun :D
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Post by: Electric Monk on 18 Mar 2006, 03:29
Well, VI was the first Final Fantasy I played, and possibly the first RPG I played (I can't remember if I played FFVI or Chrono Trigger first), so I naturally prefer it. Kefka was just awesome. I mean, at the end he's in a giant tower frying any town he feels like, with a mindless cult worshipping him. Crazy. Also, it was the only game in the series where you could play as a moogle. Mog rules. I would have bought FFXI if you could play as a moogle, but noooo.

Next I like IX. Mostly cause I think Zidane rocks. The twin-bladed sword or daggers was a nice divergance from the "Main hero with large sword" stereotype from VII and VIII (And continued in X). All the characters were fun and entertaining, and none of them felt whiny, like most of the characters from VII and VIII felt to me.

Although I have to admit I have not played the whole series, and not played hardly any of I, IV, V, X, and Tactics.